Vasodilators - can we start a list?

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Vasodilators - can we start a list?

Postby SaintLouis » Tue Dec 29, 2009 4:15 pm

Just like I've been trying to wrap my mind around endothelial disruptors, so have I been trying to get a grasp on vasodilators. I thought maybe we could brainstorm a list. Here is what I've got so far:

- Vitamin D
-Estrogen
-Niacin

Anybody have any others to add?
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Postby JohnAm » Tue Dec 29, 2009 6:06 pm

Heres a few more suggestions;

- vitamin B
- Ginko Biloba extract
- stress mgt
- relaxation/meditation
- ...

just :idea: s
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Postby cheerleader » Tue Dec 29, 2009 6:17 pm

here's another earlier thread (just a hint, search phrases for topics that have been discussed before, to avoid duplication.)
http://www.thisisms.com/ftopict-7272-vasodilator.html

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Postby SaintLouis » Tue Dec 29, 2009 7:53 pm

Thanks! I havn't come across any in-depth dicussion about prescription vasodilators..are there any drugs (drugs - just what we want, I know) which could prescribed that might help CCSVI in some cases I wonder?

That would at least be a start while were all stuck in this waiting game.
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Postby shye » Tue Dec 29, 2009 8:34 pm

chelation would slowly clear the blocked arteries, veins, and thus act like vasodilation; ie, by clearing away obstructions, get an open artery or vein
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Postby jak7ham9 » Wed Dec 30, 2009 10:11 am

hi niacin is great but really short acting. For chealors look at deferiprone the best orol or exjade or fesferroxamine iv. deferiprone is being used in experiments with ms and ataxia totally ammeliorates eae in mice.
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Postby gibbledygook » Wed Dec 30, 2009 12:10 pm

I found these good as dilators:
salvia miltiorrhiza
ginkgo biloba
barberry root

The later was especially good in a recent relapse (before the stents).
3 years antibiotics, 06/09 bilateral jug stents at C1, 05/11 ballooning of both jug valves, 07/12 stenting of renal vein, azygos & jug valve ballooning,
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Don't mix CCSVI and Prescription Vasodilators

Postby MarkW » Thu Dec 31, 2009 7:43 am

After many years of reading around MS, with a health professional hat on, my advice is not to mix CCSVI and prescription vasodilators. After CCSVI treatment (say 3-6 months later) there are many therapeutic options but doing both together is not predictable. Herbal drugs are often not standardised so be aware. Vit D3 should be a must for pwMS as it has many positive effects.

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Re: Vasodilators - can we start a list?

Postby frodo » Fri Jan 01, 2010 2:30 am

SaintLouis wrote:Just like I've been trying to wrap my mind around endothelial disruptors, so have I been trying to get a grasp on vasodilators. I thought maybe we could brainstorm a list. Here is what I've got so far:

- Vitamin D
-Estrogen
-Niacin

Anybody have any others to add?


Vasodilators will not work in cases of mechanical pressure or inverted valves. In fact they will work in the whole vein system except the part that is intended to be.

I think is better to concentrate in iron chelation, blood thiners and protection against endotelial disruption.
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Cayenne vasodilator

Postby AndrewKFletcher » Fri Jan 01, 2010 8:59 am

Cayenne Pepper (not chili powder as this contains paprika and other spices.)

Add a teaspoon to apple juice 3 times a day

Start with a smaller amount

Not as hot with apple juice and refreshing to drink

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Postby seasonedsusan » Fri Jan 01, 2010 12:02 pm

I started taking l-arginine about a year ago in the hopes it would help with my impaired vascular system, also take aspirin and Vitamin D of course.

Just wanted to add a couple more that I take:
magnesium(an excellent supplement for migraine)
Vitamin E
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Ginkgo Biloba is working for me

Postby hwebb » Fri Jan 01, 2010 4:19 pm

Hi there,

for those of you who have read my other posts, you'll know that I recently had a Doppler Ultrasound which confirmed my left internal jugular vein is extremely "challenged" (only 5% of normal blood flow). Was no surprise to me as I had a substantial pain and feeling of heaviness on this side of my neck (just above the problem vein). Pain been there for about a month...though been diagnosed with MS September 2009.

Anyway - this new information came to me just before christmas, and I haven't been able to round up my GP or neurologist...let alone a new vascular specialist.

In desperation I headed to Google, and saw some info on Ginkgo Bilboa. This herbal supplement is reknown for dilating blood vessels and reducing blood platelet aggregation. I tried some, and the pain in my neck subsided within an hour. I didn't expect such a speedy positive impact. I doubt it's dilated my vein very much...but perhaps just enough to reduce the pain! I had previously tried asprin to thin my blood...but it didn't make the pain go away. Maybe the combination of blood vessel dilation and reduction in platelet aggregation is critical.

It's interesting as I had a blood sample taken back in September to check my vitamin D levels. I commented that the blood didn't look like mine - it was a different color to usual and all clumpy.

Wonder if platelet aggregation is the reason why some PwMS get flare ups when they get an infection....or why bee-sting therapy works for some (it de-aggregates platelets)

In addition to making the pain go away in the side of my neck, Ginkgo Biloba made my neck feel less "stiff". I usually toss and turn all night, and have been unable to sleep with a regular pillow since september. I've been on Ginkgo for two days...and had two unbelievably deep sleeps with no wake-ups. Anytime the pain comes back to my neck...I take more Gingko (they say the affect only lasts a few hours...so you are better off taking small doses throughout the day). My hands and feet feel a little warm too (they were never cold though).

Gingko comes with a warning - don't use it before an operation as you're blood won't coagulate well when the wound is closed.

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Postby mangio » Fri Jan 01, 2010 9:07 pm

In a very responsible amount - good French or German Brandy - French cardiologists often prescribe
adjunctively if cleared by physician. My mother swore by Dubonnet
for her long life and warm feet!

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French know how to live :)

Postby hwebb » Sat Jan 02, 2010 2:10 am

I've always had respect for the French :)
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Postby JoyIsMyStrength » Sat Jan 02, 2010 2:17 pm

Vinpocetine is worth a mention. Cheap, too. There's a lot of info in a forum post from 2007:
http://www.thisisms.com/ftopicp-28638-v ... html#28638

Here's where I get mine:
http://www.vitacost.com/NSI-BioVinca-Vinpocetine

I believe it's a blood thinner so use with caution if you are already taking blood thinners.

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