uncorrectable issues

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uncorrectable issues

Postby sbr487 » Mon Jan 25, 2010 6:40 am

There was a thread about the type of issues that have been found so far on venous insufficiency. I was wondering if there are issues that cannot be corrected (except often listed one that is due to venous narrowing close to brain). For example, inverted value is one of the type. Can it be corrected?
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Postby costumenastional » Mon Jan 25, 2010 7:05 am

yes it can. but there are cases of complete agenesis mostly of the vertal plexous than cannot be repaired. other case of agenesis of the ijv have also been reported. there are images in here but i dont remember the exact posts. look them up.
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Postby Cece » Mon Jan 25, 2010 8:21 am

I believe when the narrowing is due to a bone jutting against the internal jugular vein, those are tricky too (because the bone would press against a stent there if placed.)
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bones and stents?

Postby codefellow » Mon Jan 25, 2010 8:34 am

I wonder if a chiropractor could help with that? There are some reported cases of chiropractors "curing" MS with a neck adjustment.



I believe when the narrowing is due to a bone jutting against the internal jugular vein, those are tricky too (because the bone would press against a stent there if placed.)
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Postby shye » Mon Jan 25, 2010 8:58 am

Yes, as I've posted a few times, I think the vertebra showing in MRI's to be impeding the jugular vein, is in fact a rotated atlas. For years I had severe neck and head ache, and went to lots of body workers, chiropractors, osteopath--and it was my neuromuscular dentist who pointed out the atlas problem! So in December approached the new chiropractor with that info, and voila, pretty much an instant cure!
Too bad don't have an MRI to show in pictures.
Now working on getting the damage already done cleared up; do have lots of lesions in brain--

a video about correcting the atlas
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ae5CHyS ... re=related
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Postby AlmostClever » Mon Jan 25, 2010 9:24 am

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Postby sbr487 » Mon Jan 25, 2010 9:41 am

Maybe I am missing something here -
How come none of the materials I have read about brain lesions mention about Atlas orthogonal. Is this considered as a part of MS itself?

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Postby AlmostClever » Mon Jan 25, 2010 11:53 am

Thread from last month regarding this:

http://www.thisisms.com/ftopicp-81568.html

So maybe this is a condition that can be corrected in unison with the Lib Procedure.
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Postby shye » Mon Jan 25, 2010 4:17 pm

Almost clever,
I'm thinking in many cases you don't need the Liberation Procedure--if you get the veins (and arteries) free of the impedence of the atlas (and C1), so blood flow is better into and out of head, and if you then work with nutrition and supplements to correct the damage done over the years (I am also starting EDTA chelation as part of this), and use the Inclined Bed Therapy to correct circulation, you might be able to forgo the Liberation Procedure. Unless say, after giving all these modes I mentioned at least a 6 month trial, then if still seriously compromised, you might need the angioplasty to open up the veins if they are super clogged (the Chelation should do that--or super good nutrition with supplements should do it, just takes longer wtih the nutrition)--but I see no reason for stents at all--getting your posture corrected with help of chiropractor, osteopath etc should be enough.
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Postby shye » Mon Jan 25, 2010 4:19 pm

sbr487
the medical profession has no use for chiropractors, so ignore the orthogonal info..
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Postby Zeureka » Tue Jan 26, 2010 4:14 pm

Would anyone know the precise definition of a "pathologic valve".

I interpreted it (but have no clue!) as a valve that is not grown normally and then somehow obstructs blood flow.

But is there actually a medical definition for it? I could not find it on the internet...:?

And can it be treated by ballooning and/or stenting? So one just balloons or puts a stent in a vein at the point of the valve that does not work properly (so squeezing it open) ?? Does that make sense? Would the original function of the valve to avoid inverse bloodflow not still be missing?

Sorry for such maybe silly questions. I will also try to ask the angiologist I have appointment with next week.

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Postby Cece » Tue Jan 26, 2010 8:44 pm

I think it makes sense (regarding the atlas) that this is the problem or cause of the stenosis in some people but not in others...so to some reading this (maybe me?) this would be the fix-all and to others (maybe me?) it would not be.

It's like CCSVI is the grand unifying theory of MS...all these bits and pieces, all the ways in which someone with RR is different from someone with progressive, all the unknowns and the treatments that work for some and not for others, finally make sense.

For pathologic valve, I've heard reports here of thickening of the valve membrane to the point that it is obstructive (easily fixed with angioplasty) or the valve being backwards so that instead of keeping blood from refluxing it's actually keeping blood in (also easily fixed by angioplasty). I think problems with valves will show up on transcranial doppler or venogram but not the MRV.

Also -- this is somewhere on the forum -- there is a particular valve in the IJ that is not entirely necessary, as only 90% of the normal population has it, so if it's squeezed out of existence through angioplasty, this is okay and not detrimental as far as we know. (Forgive my stats if they are wrong but this is the general idea.)
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Postby NotSoSick » Fri Jan 29, 2010 2:17 pm

Hi!

I wanted to say thank you to TIMS for this thread. Because of this, I went to see a chiropractor. I told him about CCSVI, and since he has MS in his family he was intrigued.
Anyway, he went and did some research and presented me with an interesting article here:
http://www.nature.com/jhh/journal/v21/n ... 2133a.html

Cheers!
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