Wahls diet discussion

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Re: Wahls diet discussion

Postby jimmylegs » Tue May 08, 2012 4:54 pm

where do you live and work pesho? i can tell you that i follow the whole food part of the paleo regimen but not the elimination part. i just can't see primitive people walking past edible grains, beans, etc. they would have eaten anything and everything edible. do we overdo grains and legumes etc now? i think that is true. the signs are all over our society's typical illnesses. but i have learned the hard way that there's a price to be paid for outright elimation of broad categories of food. so i eat grains and legumes, in a limited way because i recognize their drain on my zinc resources, and i value their contribution to overall nutrition. plus i keep track of my zinc levels with bloodwork and supplement if necessary. moderation is, as always, the key. my 2c.
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Re: Wahls diet discussion

Postby stillfighting » Tue May 08, 2012 8:18 pm

jimmlegs, that is a good observation. I know a few who follow a bible based diet. ( or what they say is a bible based diet)
That would throw out the paleo I THINK.. all this could lead to does any of this work at all.. can we find some holy water!!! :)
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Re: Wahls diet discussion

Postby mrbarlow » Thu May 10, 2012 2:41 am

I have just been working at a remote location camp so fully catered which has made a paleo type diet quite easy. Cooked breakfast without the fried bread plus fruit salad, lunch - cold chicken or beef with salad, and dinner usually red meat with tons of veggies, a salad plus more fruit.

Eaten more red meat than I would consider ideal. However despite 22 12 hour days feel very well other than putting on a few Ilbs!
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Re: Wahls diet discussion

Postby Pesho » Thu May 10, 2012 12:53 pm

jimmylegs wrote:where do you live and work pesho? i can tell you that i follow the whole food part of the paleo regimen but not the elimination part. i just can't see primitive people walking past edible grains, beans, etc. they would have eaten anything and everything edible. do we overdo grains and legumes etc now? i think that is true. the signs are all over our society's typical illnesses. but i have learned the hard way that there's a price to be paid for outright elimation of broad categories of food. so i eat grains and legumes, in a limited way because i recognize their drain on my zinc resources, and i value their contribution to overall nutrition. plus i keep track of my zinc levels with bloodwork and supplement if necessary. moderation is, as always, the key. my 2c.

In Bulgaria, the capital Sofia. Maybe I don't know the places for organic stuff, but the one chicken meat I found was 50$ the kilogram(roughly 20$ the pound)!!!! That is just insane, 8 times the regular price. I've found out that if I cut down meat and processed food I feel much better. Will give it a shot, with more vegetables, potatoes and salads. Also, I can't seem to find kale around here :(.
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Re: Wahls diet discussion

Postby jimmylegs » Thu May 10, 2012 4:15 pm

that sounds cool mrb, what sort of camp?

pesho, if organic isn't in the picture, do what you can. personally the farm where i get my meat the various species of animals are NOT fed certified organic food. they have a sort of standard feed plus plenty of time to graze/forage :) i recently asked them to butcher a goat and they charged me $6/lb regardless of cut. so i have a leg, 1lb of stewing meat, 2lbs of ground, and 2lbs of chops.

processed foods are definitely of my list, but at the same time, never say never. for example i just came home from the store where i made an unusual detour through visit to the processed aisles. i didn't make it out without a little bag of khatta meetha indian snacks. it's the size of a one shot bag of potato chips but more dense, so 6 servings in the bag. i'll spread it out over the next few days. sue me, i was good today ;) i had fruit and yogurt for breakfast, giant salad topped with trail mix and a little goat cheese for lunch, homemade split pea soup for snack, and i'm having cod, sweet potato, potato, and asparagus for dinner later.

i bet you could find seeds and grow kale there. do you have a yard? if not, here's a vid re growing kale inside: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4WRWU-BWI8
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Re: Wahls diet discussion

Postby mrbarlow » Sat May 12, 2012 8:18 pm

JL - Railway construction camp in the boonies! Building a new line to haul out iron ore to the coast.
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Re: Wahls diet discussion

Postby mrbarlow » Sat May 12, 2012 8:24 pm

Pesho wrote:
jimmylegs wrote:where do you live and work pesho? i can tell you that i follow the whole food part of the paleo regimen but not the elimination part. i just can't see primitive people walking past edible grains, beans, etc. they would have eaten anything and everything edible. do we overdo grains and legumes etc now? i think that is true. the signs are all over our society's typical illnesses. but i have learned the hard way that there's a price to be paid for outright elimation of broad categories of food. so i eat grains and legumes, in a limited way because i recognize their drain on my zinc resources, and i value their contribution to overall nutrition. plus i keep track of my zinc levels with bloodwork and supplement if necessary. moderation is, as always, the key. my 2c.

In Bulgaria, the capital Sofia. Maybe I don't know the places for organic stuff, but the one chicken meat I found was 50$ the kilogram(roughly 20$ the pound)!!!! That is just insane, 8 times the regular price. I've found out that if I cut down meat and processed food I feel much better. Will give it a shot, with more vegetables, potatoes and salads. Also, I can't seem to find kale around here :(.



Kale is really easy to grow. If it isn't sold locally try and get some seeds. Example below from UK ebay site. It is a great crop - can be grown throughout the year although prefers cooler weather so maybe a winter crop for bulgaria although its available year round in Western Australia where i am right now.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Kale-Dwarf-Gr ... 35bbf7172b
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Re: Wahls diet discussion

Postby Pesho » Sun May 13, 2012 5:03 am

mrbarlow wrote:
Pesho wrote:
jimmylegs wrote:where do you live and work pesho? i can tell you that i follow the whole food part of the paleo regimen but not the elimination part. i just can't see primitive people walking past edible grains, beans, etc. they would have eaten anything and everything edible. do we overdo grains and legumes etc now? i think that is true. the signs are all over our society's typical illnesses. but i have learned the hard way that there's a price to be paid for outright elimation of broad categories of food. so i eat grains and legumes, in a limited way because i recognize their drain on my zinc resources, and i value their contribution to overall nutrition. plus i keep track of my zinc levels with bloodwork and supplement if necessary. moderation is, as always, the key. my 2c.

In Bulgaria, the capital Sofia. Maybe I don't know the places for organic stuff, but the one chicken meat I found was 50$ the kilogram(roughly 20$ the pound)!!!! That is just insane, 8 times the regular price. I've found out that if I cut down meat and processed food I feel much better. Will give it a shot, with more vegetables, potatoes and salads. Also, I can't seem to find kale around here :(.



Kale is really easy to grow. If it isn't sold locally try and get some seeds. Example below from UK ebay site. It is a great crop - can be grown throughout the year although prefers cooler weather so maybe a winter crop for bulgaria although its available year round in Western Australia where i am right now.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Kale-Dwarf-Gr ... 35bbf7172b

I can get Kale seeds, they are sold around here. My parents then can grow it, just I don't know what to do in the winter, since there is a lot of snow, and there is no way it will grow. Diet is hard to stick to, but I'm doing my best. Eating a lot of carrot and cabbage salads, will try to get at least organic vegetables.
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Re: Wahls diet discussion

Postby mrbarlow » Sun May 13, 2012 8:51 am

Plant it in spring, harvest continually through summer and through winter into the following spring. Kale is very hardy and survives frost / snow. It was a major crop in scotland for both fodder and winter greens
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Re: Wahls diet discussion

Postby Pesho » Sun May 20, 2012 1:41 pm

Another question. Swank diet is low fat, while Wahls and paleo are not as far as I can tell. Can I eat beef and lamb freely, since here they are the most "organic" as they can be without the premium price tag?
I can get grass fed lamb, but I generally don't like it. All chicken meat is full with antibiotics and god knows what else, and the organic/bio chicken is like 25$ the pound, really not an option.
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Re: Wahls diet discussion

Postby stillfighting » Sun May 20, 2012 4:43 pm

Does anyone ever wonder why so many of these "ms diest" are so far apart in theory.
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Re: Wahls diet discussion

Postby lyndacarol » Sun May 20, 2012 5:22 pm

The targets are different; for instance, Wahls is focused on the mitochondria. But it seems to me that all the diets share one feature: NO SUGAR.
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Re: Wahls diet discussion

Postby jimmylegs » Sun May 20, 2012 5:35 pm

pesho, you could do beef or lamb once or twice a week i should think. how often are you having fish?
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Re: Wahls diet discussion

Postby stillfighting » Sun May 20, 2012 7:44 pm

Interesting, is it the no sugar? Or all they NO gluten??
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Re: Wahls diet discussion

Postby Trent » Sun May 20, 2012 8:37 pm

And is anyone getting any better by following a diet, or are we all just deluding ourselves? Are any of us stronger, or able to walk better/further? I'm afraid I don't think so. I've had no slowing or improvements in 35 years, other than better sleep since CCSVI -- and time is not on my side. I'm 70, and in bed/wheelchair 24/7 and reduced to one finger typing. Valid options are limited.
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