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Hi,

Since diagnosis i have always drunk bottled mineral water,
but have recently been advised to avoid fluoride, and as the bottled mineral water contains fluoride i want to find a purer water :

Nutrition: Caledonian Still Natural Mineral Water
- mg per litre -
Calcium 27.0mg -
Magnesium 6.9mg -
Potassium < 1.0mg -
Sodium 6.60mg -
Bicarbonate 103.0mg -
Sulphate 10.6mg -
Nitrate 2.5mg -
Fluoride 0.1mg -
Chloride 6.4mg -
Silicate 7.6mg -
Dry Residue at 180°C 117.2mg -
pH 7.4-



So i have read the best two water filters that are not too expensive are distilled water filters and reverse osmosis filters,

R-O
http://www.osmotics.co.uk/products/Ultr ... ystem.html

Distilled
http://www.jdharris.co.uk/water-distiller


Any thoughts on which water filtration system is best for MS sufferers?

thanks

It has been my understanding that drinking either distilled or RO water is not healthy since the dissolved ion content is so low it will leach minerals from your body.

By the way, we use an activated carbon filter for our drinking water. I don't have the specs in front of me right now, but it does make an improvement to the taste of our tap water.

NHE

Reverse Osmosis filter under the sink uses standard carbon filters found in under sink filter systems the only difference you have a tank to store water. I have had both and like the ro because its attached to the fridge

Just a comment on the Caledonian water content. The fluoride content of 0.1mg is extremely low, and is no doubt naturally occuring. This is lower than most pure spring water. Realize that flouride is a natural substance in the earth, and is found in nearly all water in tiny amounts. Fouridated public drinking water is a different issue entirely, since this kind of water will have about 1.5 mg of fluoride, or about 15 times what the Caledonian water has. The average human ingests about .6 mg of flouride a day in his diet from plants, fish, etc and has done so for thousands of years - unless they drink fluoridated water in which case it will be MUCH higher. I personally think the Caledonian water is perfectly fine.

my 2c: drink the mineral water.

at one time i had a bunch of correspondence on fluoride based on local community efforts to have it removed from tap water. tzootsi's info looks bang on from what i recall.

i will add that the reason fluoride was added to drinking water in the first place.. over a century ago i believe... was on the basis of its being a required nutrient for dental health and cavity prevention.

furthermore.. according to wiki, fluoride slows demineralization and increases remineralization of tooth enamel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_flu ... on#History

i suspect there may be something else more fundamental about tooth nutrition that we've learned over the past century, that should allow us to move past the practice of adding fluoride to drinking water. i can bet you, however, that what is NOT going to happen is the reintroduction of magnesium *back* into public drinking water..

Developmental influence of magnesium deficiency on rat molar tooth composition and dental caries
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 1783801262
"The objective of this study was to determine if caries susceptibility of offspring could be altered by maternal magnesium deficiency. ... Offspring originating from these magnesium deficient dams had less calcium, phosphorus and zinc in molar dentin compared to controls at the end of a 45-day caries test period. This apparent preeruptive reduction in mineral content of offspring dentin was associated with higher caries scores on the first and second molar buccal surface."

that was interesting, i expected magnesium involvement, but wasn't expecting to find poor magnesium status reducing calcium levels, let alone phosphorus and zinc.

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my approach: no meds so far - just balanced whole foods (partial 'paleo', much less outright elimination), science, supplements, & bloodwork
my regimen - www.thisisms.com/ftopict-2489.html
www.whfoods.com, www.nutritiondata.com

thank you for the replies,
hm maybe it would be better to stick with the mineral water in the mean time till i read more into it,

as some say reverse osmosis is best, and some say no distilled water is,
but they both lack vitamins, but i do take a huge range of vitamin/mineral supplements so not sure if i need the minute amount found in water?

but the fact that fluoride is 'meant to be bad' for MS patients does concern me, is this a fair comment - my dr says it.
i even changed my toothpaste to natural fluoride free toothpaste a few months back,
and you know what, my wisdom teeth have been feeling sore when biting/chewing, so i thought i need the wisdom teeth removed... i had one side of wisdom teeth removed years ago
... but before starting the fluoride free toothpaste i dont recall this soreness/pain in m wisdom teeth
could it be that the fluoride free paste is harming my teeth? or maybe inadequately protecting them?
is fluoride that good for dental health?


what would be a suitable amount of mineral water to drink daily for an adult man who's 5'11"
i only drink this bottled mineral water. no tea, fizzy drinks, coffee, juices


thank you

i have fluoride free toothpaste and it doesn't bother me.. but that's just me!

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my approach: no meds so far - just balanced whole foods (partial 'paleo', much less outright elimination), science, supplements, & bloodwork
my regimen - www.thisisms.com/ftopict-2489.html
www.whfoods.com, www.nutritiondata.com

Here's what Dr. Mercola thinks about drinking distilled water on a regular basis.

Early Death Comes From Drinking Distilled Water
http://www.mercola.com/article/water/di ... _water.htm

i've just found another bottled water that doesn't contain fluoride, what do others think of this bottled water instead of the other one i listed:

Still Scottish Mountain Water
Composition (mg/litre):
Calcium <55mg
Magnesium <16mg
Potassium <2mg
Sodium <15mg
Bicarbonate <240mg
Sulphate <28mg
Nitrate <6mg
Chloride <11mg
Dry Residue at 180 °C <255mg: pH 7.4

can i just ask where the push comes from to avoid *all* fluoride? i'd lean toward avoiding *added* fluoride if possible and amounts were above a certain threshold... but avoiding naturally occuring levels of fluoride?? there's a reason why people started adding it to drinking water in the first place...

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my approach: no meds so far - just balanced whole foods (partial 'paleo', much less outright elimination), science, supplements, & bloodwork
my regimen - www.thisisms.com/ftopict-2489.html
www.whfoods.com, www.nutritiondata.com

I was just told before fluoride isn't good for MS'ers
not sure how true it was though

dc – I am not sure it is good for anyone:

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/artic ... alism.aspx

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My hypothesis: excess insulin (hyperinsulinemia) plays a major role in MS, as developed in my initial post: http://www.thisisms.com/forum/general-discussion-f1/topic1878.html "Insulin – Could This Be the Key?"