Vitamins and Amino Acids

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Vitamins and Amino Acids

Postby jackthetab » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:36 pm

There is so much misinformation or contridicting information out there it really is hard to know what is the right thing to do. I do know that MS affects people differently so some people may or may not benefit from certain recommendations.

Is it advantageous to take a multi vitamin and an amino acid? My mate feels that it is a waste of money and that I am just "pissing it all out". I have been taking the same regimine for many years and only until recently have experienced minor relapse of MS symptoms.

I do take one cap daily and not the recommended three. I do understand that there is some wheat and milk products involved. Dairy is normally at a minimum in my diet and usually it is supplemented with unsweetened almond milk.

Supplement Facts
Serving Size 3 Caplets

Amount Per Serving % Daily Value

Vitamin A 5,000 IU 100%
(as Beta-Carotene)

Vitamin C 500 mg 833%
(as Ascorbic Acid)

Vitamin D 800 IU 200%
(as Ergocalciferol)

Vitamin E 100 IU 333%
(as d-Alpha Tocopheryl Succinate)

Thiamin 25 mg 1,667%
(Vitamin B-1)(as Thiamin Mononitrate)

Riboflavin 25 mg 1,471%
(Vitamin B-2)

Niacin 25 mg 125%
(as Niacinamide)

Vitamin B-6 25 mg 1,250%
(as Pyridoxine Hydrochloride)

Folic Acid 400 mcg 100%

Vitamin B-12 250 mcg 4,167%

Biotin(as d-Biotin) 300 mcg 100%

Pantothenic Acid 30 mg 300%
(as d-Calcium Pantothenate)

Calcium 268 mg 27%(as Calcium Carbonate and Dicalcium (Phosphate)

Iron 15 mg 83%
(as Ferrous Sulfate)

Iodine 150 mcg 100%
(from Kelp)

Magnesium 125 mg 31%
(as Magnesium Oxide)

Zinc 15mg 100%
(as Zinc Oxide)

Selenium 25 mcg 36%
(as L-Selenomethionine)

Copper 0.5 mg 25%
(as Cupric Gluconate)

Manganese 4 mg 200%
(as Manganese Gluconate)

Chromium 100 mcg 83%
(as Chromium Picolinate)

Molybdenum 51 mcg 68%
(as Sodium Molybdate)

Chloride 45 mg 1%
(as Potassium Chloride)

Potassium 50 mg 1%
(as Potassium Chloride)

Choline 50mg *
(as Choline Bitartrate)

Inositol 25 mg *

PABA 25 mg *
(Para-Aminobenzoic Acid)

Boron 1 mg *
(as Sodium Borate)

Citrus Bioflavonoids 60 mg *
(Citrus spp.)(fruit)

Hesperidin Complex 20 mg *
(Citrus spp.)(fruit)

Rutin 20 mg *

Quercetin 20 mg *

DNA 1 mg *
(Deoxyribonucleic Acid)

RNA 35 mg *
(Ribonucleic Acid)

L-Glutathione 5 mg *

Lutein 10 mcg *

Green Source Digestive Enzyme Blend: 50 mg *
(Betaine Hydrochloride, Bromelain (from Pineapple), Papain (Papaya (Enzyme), Amylase, Lipase, Cellulase, Protease)

Green Source Probiotic Blend: (L. bifidus, L. bulgaricus, L. acidophilus) 25 mg *

Green Source Omega Blend: (Flaxseed, Sunflower Oil, Borage Powder) (Contains Omega-3 35 milligram and Omega-6 12 milligram) 300 mg *

Green Source Green and Whole Food Blend : (Oat Bran (Avena sativa) (seed), Spirulina (Spirulina platensis) (plant), Apple Pectin (fruit), Wheat Grass (Triticum sativum) (aerial), Chlorella (Chlorella vulgaris) (plant), Barley Juice Concentrate, Sodium Copper Chlorophyllin) 1,200 mg *

Green Source Herb Blend: (Echinacea (Echinacea purpurea) (aerial), Ginger (Zingiber officinale) (root), Milk Thistle (Silybum marianum) (seed), Cayenne (Capsicum annuum) (fruit), Korean Ginseng (Panax ginseng) (root), Ginkgo Biloba (Ginkgo biloba) (leaf), Goldenseal (Hydrastis canadensis) (root)) 100 mg *

Green Source Vegetable Blend: (Garlic (Allium sativum) (bulb), Beet Root Powder, Carrot Powder, Parsley Powder, Wheat Grass (Triticum sativum) (aerial), Asparagus Powder, and Extracts of Broccoli, Cabbage, Brussels Sprouts, Cauliflower and Kale) 100 mg *

Green Source Fruit Blend: (Grapefruit Extract, Apple Powder (Malus pumila) (fruit), Papaya Fruit Powder, Peach (fruit), Strawberry (Fragaria virginiana) (fruit), Acai (Euterpe oleracea) (fruit), Cranberry (Vaccinium macrocarpon) (fruit), Blueberry (Vaccinium corymbosum) (fruit), Bilberry (Vaccinium myrtillus) (fruit), Pomegranate Extract (Punica granatum) (fruit), Pineapple (Ananassa sativa) (fruit), Orange (Citrus sinensis) (fruit), Noni Extract (Morinda citrifolia) (fruit)) 100 mg *

Green Source Mushroom Blend: (Shiitake Extract, Maitake (Grifola frondosa) (aerial), Reishi Extract) 50 mg *

*Daily Value not established.
Directions: For adults, take three (3) caplets daily, preferably with meals. Color may vary due to natural ingredients.

Other Ingredients: Vegetable Cellulose, Hypromellose, Silica, Vegetable Stearic Acid, Vegetable Magnesium Stearate. Contains milk and wheat ingredients.
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Re: Vitamins and Amino Acids

Postby jimmylegs » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:50 pm

hi there, i'm not clear on whether you felt this multi helped you, or not. but, given the details provided, that product does look like an expensive way to waste money, even if you're only doing said wasting at 1/3 the suggested rate. even if you took that product at full daily dosage, it might do a little good but it probably wouldn't be enough to deal with the degree of nutritional issue often seen in ms patients.

selected ingredient review:

the vit d is ergocalciferol or vit d2 (a plant form, not as bioavailable as vit d3 or cholecalciferol) so you're technically only getting part of one third of 800IU of vit d3 daily. research suggests healthy adults USE 4,000 IU of d3 each day.

the vitamin E is in basically a somewhat harmful form, although at 33 IU per day it probably is having negligible negative effects. when i take vit E supplementally, it's an E8 complex at 400 IU.

magnesium oxide is the form of supplement with the highest elemental magnesium content but the worst bioavailability. the most that 40mg of that will do is keep you marginally, marginally more regular due to laxative effects (but those are usually felt at doses in the order of a few hundred mg per day)

basically you'd do well to have some bloodwork done and then find out where your levels need to be and then get therapeutic doses in place if and as needed.

in general, my opinion of multivitamins is that they're barely sufficient for healthy people to maintain health, and have nothing to do with correcting the more severe imbalances associated with ill health. my 2 cents :)

if you have questions, feel free :)
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Re: Vitamins and Amino Acids

Postby jackthetab » Tue Apr 02, 2013 4:31 pm

Thank your for the response.

I had been taking the same multi vitamin for at least 10 years and have actually felt fine on them. About a year ago, I stopped taking the vitamins and amino acids just to see if there was any significant differences in how I felt. Until recently, since being diagnosed with MS, I have been feeling off. The vitamins were restarted about 2 months ago, but at a much lower dose.

My doctor and a few specialists feel that I could have had MS for the past 15 years, having had a similar episode with blindness with one eye back in 1995. That was corrected with 40 mgs of steroids daily for two weeks. Since that time there have been no significant issues until August 2012.

My activity level was very high up until last year, correlating with the stoppage of the vitamins. Prior to this, I was taking the recommeded dose of three tablets a day. Every weekend would be spent hiking, mountain biking or some other outdoor activity. Certainly it could all be a coincidence of course. At that time I did suffer with chronic fatigue and loved to sleep, but was also able to keep myself going.

Then in August 2012 I lost my sight again. Along with this was the chronic fatigue, worse than ever before. After testing, blood work and all that hoopla, my doctor decided to start treating me for MS as all signs pointed to that.

Maybe the vitamins and animo acids were just a coincidence, but part of me was wondering if taking the vitamins kept some of the symptoms at bay to the point that they did not interfere with my daily living.

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Re: Vitamins and Amino Acids

Postby jimmylegs » Tue Apr 02, 2013 4:48 pm

no probs :)

at the higher dose they may have kept the wolves at bay a bit, but without bloodwork it's hard to be certain what is going on. any chance of testing?

anyway. as far as taking them or not goes, my opinion is that a really really really good daily multi is one tiny piece of the big picture which needs to involve healthy nutrient dense food choices, and supplements (if and as needed) at doses that in the short term may far exceed what is found in most multis.

i use nutrients exclusively to manage my ms, based on info gathered from research studies. a long term diet and supplement program has been very effective in my case at least.
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Re: Vitamins and Amino Acids

Postby jackthetab » Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:10 pm

Well the good thing for me, I make good choices for healthy eating. Once in a while its good to splurge on something, but overall, its mainly fruits, veggies, little dairy.

The vitamin was added only to give myself a little boost. It was not to rely on as an alternative to healthy eating.

As far as blood work goes. That was done on the 25th, so I will ask to see the results and see where my levels may be deficient. At the point I will have a better idea of where I am lacking.

Thanks :-)

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Re: Vitamins and Amino Acids

Postby jimmylegs » Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:48 pm

sounds good re bloodwork - you might find this interesting and/or useful in terms of assessing the results regimens-f22/topic2489.html#p15460
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Re: Vitamins and Amino Acids

Postby NHE » Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:02 pm

L-Glutathione 5 mg


Glutathione is a short polypeptide. Taken orally, it will simply be digested.
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Re: Vitamins and Amino Acids

Postby jimmylegs » Wed Apr 03, 2013 4:10 am

(i don't take things like glutathione myself. zinc and selenium are both low in ms patients and both help elevate glutathione levels...)
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