Diet - so simple, yet so complicated

A board to discuss various diet-centered approaches to treating or controlling Multiple Sclerosis, e.g., the Swank Diet

Postby AllyB » Sat Jul 21, 2007 12:38 pm

Hi there

I am so glad that I found this thread. I have been researching all the various diets out there but have not yet made any significant changes to my shocking diet. I am really interested in the green smoothies and will definately give them a try - my husband is very keen to make some dietary changes as a family too, just to improve our general health, as we do eattypically "junky" western food too much.
I also ned to research supplements and will get onto this asap. Once again many thanks for all the information - you guys are all so knowledgable, it really helps a "newbie" like me.

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Postby jgkarob » Sun Jul 22, 2007 2:19 am

Hi Ally,
As an addendum to the green smoothies (which I hated sooo much) I have found that a Champion juicer will chew up cabbage leaves and they taste nice but also that blue-greens in powder form are pretty good too. I bought a jar and have been whisking them into my morning juice.
The reason why I posted this was just that picking my way around the various diets was a bit mind boggling. Roy Swank ate bread as does Professor Jelinek - I'd recommend his book first as it's so sensible.
I can't eat high carbs because of my insulin resistence....brain hurting again...
Finding the 'right' diet take ages, but here's a good general rule
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If you try a new way of eating and it doesn't make you feel good - like constant indigestion or diarhoea or headaches or fatigue, then it's probably not the one for you.

For example, when I had my first cholesterol test, I went on a no-fat diet and ate brown rice everyday. Now I know that this was wrong for me, the warning signs were in my constant indigestion. Later, when the diet and statins weren't working, I found that a low-carb diet helped more. I can recommend Dr Briffa's website in the UK for a great blog on this. He's a proper doctor btw.
I tried the raw-foodies cornerstone, sprouts (bean, not brussels!) and they give me headaches and don't make me feel good at all.
So it looks as though a high raw/low carb version of the Best Bet Diet is the way for me - although....and here's the good bit, you can have days off, although it's best to do this after a few months.
Dr Ashton Embry devised this diet for his son. He's not a doctor of medicine though and has made some pretty way-out claims in his articles (like one this year when he decided that Avonex can't possibly work, blimey!)however, I think he's on the right path as a general diet to help tackle MS.
I still feel a great deal better than before my dietary change. I don't often get hit by crippling fatigue and haven't had to take Amantadine this year.
I can't claim that nerve pain has gone, but so far, no annual relapse. I do take Rebif and will for as long as it continues to work.
I like this website too, for the one reason that posts and posters are treated with courtesy and respect.
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Postby skydog » Mon Mar 09, 2009 1:40 pm

Just cruising thru the different sites and posts. Seems odd that their are so few new posts here ??? I am new to thisIsMS site and been largely going it on my own since my first diagnosis of PPMS. I was already by just the way I grew up with my eating habits already in place on a swank diet, or at least very close. I have since added the use of a blender and start the day with a smoothie. My smoothies change with the season. Berries apples and root vegetables in the winter and add the greens in the spring on into fall. I am an avid gardener and it is where most of what I eat comes from. One thing caught my attention was that most seem to avoid eating fish and seafood. I can understand the reasoning of the toxic build up of heavy metals. I since living on the coast eat a fair mount of seafood. A big rule that I have followed to reduce the toxic levels is don't consume fish or shellfish over 2 yrs old. Someone may want to test my theory. I'll be back !!! Hope I spark some new interest here... Peace and health Mark
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Postby DIM » Mon Mar 09, 2009 11:35 pm

Take some selenium and iodine supplements with sea food and you decrease remarkably any toxic ingredient that your body absorbs as they are antagonists to most heavy metals!
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Postby jgkarob » Tue Mar 10, 2009 2:24 am

Hi,
I haven't been around for a long while. I moved to north-west Spain last year and have been getting on with life.
I stopped Rebif last year as well and started on LDN. No reason, except I didn't fancy going to do battle with a new neurologist - and in Spanish too.
My new GP just advised me to go if I was ill and needed steroids, which I haven't had since 2002.

The Paleo diet continues. No legumes, gluten-free and low in sugars.
I tore my meniscus in my left knee moving firewood and put on quite a bit of weight. So I had to cut back even more on carbs as my blood sugars were too high. Turron! My great sin over Christmas.

I'm eating more oily fish and great almonds and some coconut fats, which seem to be helping the weight to shift and of course, plenty of olive oil.

Diet is easy, just so long as you aren't trying to fight two things at once!
Bring in very low-carbing and the level of difficulty is doubled!

MS is great though. Loads of energy and thanks to the LDN my spasticity is improved, along with my bladder.
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Postby Abe » Sat Mar 14, 2009 5:00 am

DIM wrote:Take some selenium and iodine supplements with sea food and you decrease remarkably any toxic ingredient that your body absorbs as they are antagonists to most heavy metals!


Another gem DIM. Thanks. I eat Sardines most days. I believe small fish that are farmed quickly accrue less mercury.

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Postby DIM » Sat Mar 14, 2009 2:47 pm

That's what I do with my wife Abe and we eat 4-5 times the week fish say sardines, salmon, mackerel, small red mulet, small tuna etc
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Postby jimmylegs » Sat Mar 14, 2009 2:52 pm

man i'm having trouble getting up to 3x/wk! but still, pretty nice small fish... within reason... i really can't do sardines...
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Postby skydog » Sun Mar 15, 2009 11:46 am

Great to see a few folks back to the basics. Quality foods and supplements are the key to health. I am still putting it all together here. That is to say what combo of food and supplements are right for me. We all need the same outcome in level of nutrient's to stay healthy. To get the right balance may be quite different for each individual. We all have different needs depending allot on our genetic makeup. My personal goal is to reach this level with quality home grown organic vegetables and local seafood, and supplement just what I can't get through food. Just renewed my hunting and fishing permits for the year. Wish me luck... Mark
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Postby jimmylegs » Sun Mar 15, 2009 11:54 am

good stuff mark :) can i request venison? lol
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Postby skydog » Sun Mar 15, 2009 1:16 pm

I think I am getting soft in my old age. The hunting season before went out a few times and had a couple of chances. Two young bucks walked within a ten yards of me. As I watched my softer side said you can't do it. There just too cute. So as I watched the two brothers walk off and was just enjoying the evening I was not prepared for the third a 3 point that charged past while my guard was down. So ended that season. This season well similar results. After a full days hunt I came home to rest. My wife pointed out to three deer in the yard. Couldn't take any of these either. There our pets... Well until I find the trees scraped from antlers and blueberry bushes munched beyond recognition. Now the elk are a different story... If I draw the right tag the freezer will be full next year. Peace and Health Mark PS here is a link to a site that I really enjoy. http://www.blindguru.com/ Have fun... Allot of cool thoughts expressed in the text here.
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Postby DIM » Sun Mar 15, 2009 1:19 pm

I read recently a research that says omega-3 from fresh fish are by far more effective than omega-3 from supplements so it's necessary to eat at least 3-4 times/week fish even if you take daily omega-3 caps.
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Postby jimmylegs » Sun Mar 15, 2009 1:45 pm

dim, i'm sure it's true. it's why i decided to stop being a vegan - once i got into the research, i didn't believe that science could actually tell us everything that is beneficial about eating a fish, so that i could figure out the vegan alternatives.
and if we do know about fatty acids and other goodies, they come as a package in a fish, not isolated from each other in separate bottles :) synergistic effects and all that.
i am getting better with the fish frequency though. there's a nice fish shop just down the road and they always seem to have at least one or two options that are from sustainable fisheries, have fewer health concerns attached, etc. i just have to make it a habit to drop in every week.
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Postby skydog » Mon Mar 16, 2009 12:39 pm

Nutrition is a science full of contradictions. Let your intuition guide your needs. Aside from eating a good meal I love to discuss the pros and cons of the foods we eat. I like being for the most part a seasonal locavore. (a person who attempt to eat only foods grown locally
Example: Locavores grow their own food or buy foodstuffs grown within their region.) Eat the best of what the season has to offer and stay away from processed foods. I eat wild salmon, elk, and venison. The nutritional value far superior to any farm raised beef or fish. Farmed fish are not something I would ever consider eating. I know there was a period of time we were told not to eat the wild salmon because of overfishing. The reason salmon declining in the wild is from habitat loss more than anything else. Protect the rivers and steams and the fish will return. Sustainable can be as simple as restoring and protecting our wild lands. Eat wild and grow organic. Peace Mark
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Postby jimmylegs » Mon Mar 16, 2009 12:55 pm

we're getting ready here to start up our organic balcony garden :) there's hunting nearby but i don't know anyone that goes.. i can sort of deal with fishing for myself, gutting, etc - but the water around here is not so great.. i go to the shop in search of fish from cleaner waters! i grew up with a certain amount of hunting, but not enough to desensitize.. it's part of why i ended up a vegan before - too sensitive. i would probably pay a hunter for cuts of wild meat but not bison, sheesh i've done my time trying to eat bison. live too far south for the tasty, tasty caribou.. plenty of deer locally tho!
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