Jelinek diet discussion

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Jelinek diet discussion

Postby jam » Sun Feb 15, 2009 2:35 pm

Just curious - the Jelinek diet is a more radical version of the Swank.

No meat, no fats including dairy - does your head in really. Anyone on this?

I am below 40kgs (female) and I don't think wise - any comments?

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Postby daverestonvirginia » Sun Feb 15, 2009 3:20 pm

No fats, does not sound that good. You have good fats and bad fats and I believe you need the good fats in your diet. I am on the Best Bet Diet which includes fish and turkey and chicken, I do not think I could stay on a diet that did not include some meat. Because with the Best Bet Diet there is no dairy or beans. Basically a low fat diet with lots of fruit and greens and nuts.
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Jelinek diet???

Postby jam » Sun Feb 15, 2009 3:35 pm

Thanks for the response.

I have gone off the diet - too depressing. I am a vego anyway, have been for over 40 years so I am not sure how relevant the diet is.

I should have said that he does advocate fish oil and you can eat fish but no poultry.

Do you honestly believe diet could change ms - he has rrms, I have ppms? I he in remission - hard to know? He is a doctor!


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Postby daverestonvirginia » Sun Feb 15, 2009 4:05 pm

Yes, I believe diet can effect the course of that MS takes. When I was first dx I came across the Direct MS web site where I read about the Best Bet Diet, which I have been on for about three years. I beleive it has helped me, but there is really no way to prove that. I believe everyone just needs to do what they think is best for themselfs. As far as the diet goes I just believe it is a very healthy diet and even if I did not have MS it would be good for me.
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Postby jimmylegs » Sun Feb 15, 2009 5:50 pm

eat meat, eat fat, everything in moderation. i was a vegan for 15 years and screwed myself up totally. now i have switched to the biodiversity diet. eat everything and fight potential 'allergic' responses with more anti-inflammatory zinc and d3 in the diet.
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Postby cheerleader » Mon Feb 16, 2009 8:00 pm

Dr. Jelinek's program is about more than diet, although removing saturated fats is a big part of it...he also advocates meditation (for lowering stress) exercise, supplements and sun exposure. If his diet is a bit too severe, following Swank or Best Bet is a good alternative. My husband follows Swank.

Here's his website-

http://www.takingcontrolofmultiplesclerosis.org/

Although there is no cure, the medical literature has considerable evidence that MS is a modern, lifestyle disease of developed countries like diabetes, heart disease and cancer, and that, as with these diseases, there are many lifestyle changes that modify its course. These therapies have been extensively researched and offer exciting possibilities for controlling the illness and preventing disability.


I whole-heartedly agree with his research, and he is living proof that this protocol works in stabilizing MS.

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dx dual jugular vein stenosis (CCSVI) 4/09
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Postby jimmylegs » Tue Feb 17, 2009 5:47 am

oh for sure it's smart to stay away from too much saturated fat, but fatty fish is awesome, natural polyunsaturated fats, fats that occur naturally in whole foods, just don't get into any trans fats etc. even best bet is a bit tight for me - i never ate many of those potential allergen foods for ages and here i am with an ms dx. and it's certainly true that food is only one part of the big pic :D
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Postby Abe » Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:55 am

cheerleader wrote:Dr. Jelinek's program is about more than diet.....

I whole-heartedly agree with his research, and he is living proof that this protocol works in stabilizing MS.

AC


Agreed, Dr. Jelinek's book is a very important read for anyone with MS. I learned so much from it :)
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Postby Ernst » Tue Feb 17, 2009 1:14 pm

daverestonvirginia wrote: When I was first dx I came across the Direct MS web site where I read about the Best Bet Diet, which I have been on for about three years. I beleive it has helped me, but there is really no way to prove that.


Been thinking that same - can't prove that my best-bet-diet has helped my wife. But I just know that she has got lots of benefits from bbd and lifestyle changes. To be honest, all I know about ms comes from reading and seeing my wife. I don't know anybody else with ms, so comparing is difficult - or maybe not good idea; ms is difficult disease to compare of measure from individual basis. I just think that the prove is front of my eyes, thats enough for me.
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Postby lionheart » Wed Feb 18, 2009 4:48 am

I have a question to you all: Has your neuro ever "prescribed" any of these diets to you?
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Postby Ernst » Wed Feb 18, 2009 5:44 am

No - my wife's neuro doesn't know anything about nutrition or vitamin d. I asked him about vitamin d.. he didn't even know the basics. But of course he knows about ms and medicines.

I think that no neuro doesn't prescribe the diet, until there is lots of scientific proof (there is something - a Norvegian study about omega-3 / some sort of diet --> good results). And medicine still rules the national health care, money talks.
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Postby lionheart » Wed Feb 18, 2009 6:16 am

Ok, doctors don't earn money from diets as they presumably do from pharmaceutical companies, but still diet only wouldn't do, right?! And that's proven. Hence, diets wouldn't harm at least, correct? Then why they wouldn't strongly recommend diets, but instead say you can eat evth except fat.
So far I haven't heard of a doctor who has "prescribed" any of the above mentioned diets. Does that mean that ALL doctors are corrupt and WE know better?
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Postby daverestonvirginia » Wed Feb 18, 2009 7:03 am

I do not believe most doctors are corrupt or just interested in making money. But, they do practice what they learned and from what I have heard doctors get very little education during medical school on diet and vitamins. They also work based on the data they have available. Just do not have many studies looking at diet and vitamins.

I also believe the internet and sites like this have helped make information so much more available and can help push change, new ideas. My doctor did not even want to talk to me about about vitamin d three years ago now he actually wants to know my vitamin d levels.

Information sharing good or bad is what can help us all in our fight against MS.
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Postby Ernst » Wed Feb 18, 2009 7:28 am

http://www.terrywahls.com/

That link is very interesting. She is a doctor, who got ms dx at 2000. Got rapidly to worse, and wheelchair. Tried medicines, but got worse. Began to study other "directions" and decided to try diet + euromuscular electrical stimulation. In one year her condition got so much better, that she didn't need wheelchair no more and could ride a bike first time in many yrs. Just one more case that supports idea that nutiritious-diet might be the answer.

I was so curious about her case that I even mailed her and she gave me some very interesting ideas. There is also one hour lecture by her - in those pages of hers. Very good stuff.
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Postby Hub » Wed Feb 18, 2009 8:23 am

Ernst wrote:http://www.terrywahls.com/

I was so curious about her case that I even mailed her and she gave me some very interesting ideas.


Ernst,

Can I ask what interesting ideas she passed along to you?
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