Garlic Foe or Friend??

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Garlic Foe or Friend??

Postby LR1234 » Thu Mar 12, 2009 9:16 am

Hi All,
I have some questions about garlic.

Is garlic something to be avoided in large doses or embraced as way of killing bacteria and viruses?

I had HBOT alongside the garlic and think it cause a relapse.

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Postby cheerleader » Thu Mar 12, 2009 9:32 am

Dear L-
I'd be more concerned with HBO treatment. In the research I've done, I've found connections with neurotoxicity and an increase in nitric oxide, which can cause damage in the brain. I've given more info on nitric oxide in my endothelial health paper highlighted below...

Yes, garlic enhances the immune system. If you believe MS is autoimmune, you should avoid it. My husband takes a much smaller dose, but I believe MS is a nitric oxide imbalance and cerebral endothelial dysfunction...not purely autoimmune.

We have tested the hypothesis that cerebral nitric oxide (NO) production is involved in hyperbaric O2 (HBO2) neurotoxicity. The data provide evidence that relative lack of NO activity contributes to decreased rCBF under HBO2, but, as exposure time is prolonged, NO production increases and augments rCBF in anticipation of neuronal excitation.

http://jap.physiology.org/cgi/content/a ... /88/4/1381

Hope you're on the mend, and talk to your doc re: HBO treatments.
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Postby skydog » Fri Mar 20, 2009 1:20 pm

I eat lots of garlic and onions. During the spring and summer I make my own blend of Ceviche using lots of garlic and onion, an appetizer of small pieces of raw fish marinated in lime or lemon juice, often with onions, peppers, and spices. I personally feel the health benefits are great since it is a natural antibiotic. Never gave it much thought as to how it might cause the system to work against itself. I can honestly say that during the summer and fall when my consumption of garlic is highest I feel the best and have the least amount of disability. Will look into Garlic further. Right now I have been busy with researching liver health. Garlic has been shown to fight parasites which can infect the liver. The key to good health is a healthy liver. Peace and Health Mark
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Garlic as anticoagulant

Postby lyndacarol » Fri Mar 20, 2009 5:29 pm

I believe that garlic is an anticoagulant; check me out on that, Cheer.
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Postby skydog » Sat Mar 21, 2009 8:41 am

Yes garlic is a anticoagulant ( blood thinner ) might be a difference cooked versus raw. either way it is a amazing little onion. If nothing else when you eat enough of it it tends to keep people from getting too close thus less chance of spreading disease. Garlic too your health... Mark http://www.crescentlife.com/dietnutrition/garlic.htm
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Postby DIM » Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:47 am

Garlic is anticoagulant, helps liver function (but try milk thistle, by far the best even from medicines: http://www.newhope.com/nutritionscience ... _herbs.cfm), fights candida and does so many good things to our body!

But...don't eat fish with lemon or lime juice
first, people with MS has usually food intolerance to citric acid and
second, citric acid reduces fish fatty acids absorption, if you cook them add some onions that protect them from oxidation!

PS: For your liver health except milk thistle add some Alpha Lipoic Acid (say 200mg 3-4 times per day) and N-Acetyl Cysteine (500-600mg 1-2 times per day)
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Postby gibbledygook » Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:55 am

Oh but that ceviche sounds DELICIOUS, will be trying that combo for sure! I think garlic is probably good for one as it does thin the blood.
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Postby pinpricks » Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:08 am

Ok

I have IBS (Irritable Bowel Syndrome) since 1980.
The only things that made an improvement is ... garlic (took pills).
The problem is that with IBS you can get SIBO (Small Intestinal Bacterial Overgrowth). And probably SIBO as been killed in my case.
I still have IBS but much less troublesome ...

In my opinion Garlic is good.

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Postby Wonderfulworld » Thu Mar 26, 2009 3:26 pm

Pinpricks
with a long history of IBS and some neurological symptoms (you're not diagnosed with MS, correct?) have your doctors ever tested you for coeliac disease? Undiagnosed coeliacs can have neurological lesions and IBS is very regularly misdiagnosed instead of coeliac disease.

Canada and Ireland have extremely high rates of coeliacs in the population.

Forgive me if you've already explored this - and very sorry for butting in on the garlic issue too - it just occured to me when reading the thread.
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Postby pinpricks » Fri Mar 27, 2009 11:24 am

I'll never been tested for coeliac disease.
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By the way my IBS is under control.
- Still some pain (mainly in the morning)
- But:
- No more diarrhoea i had for more than 20 years, days after days!
- No more "brain fog"
- No more urgency to go to the toilet for that (what a nightmare when you are stuck in the traffic going to work ...)

IBS is mainly a problem in the brain too (as MS) but it's a malfunction only.
The gap between the level in the brain you are hungry and the one you have pain is too close or reversed. This way i never feel hungry. Movements in the bowel are felt as pain. This what i learned ... don't know if true.
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I took VIT D then i was a lot better because it increases SEROTONIN in the brain and the net effect is to upper this pain level.
An other med i had is Zyprexa. It works. It's used for PSYCHOSIS but a side effect is to upper the pain level too. Then you feel a LOT (!!!!) hungry. I think the effect is because it blocks serotonin receptors 5-HT2.
For the first time of my life i was hungry ... TOO MUCH! ... i gained 8kg. Peoples taking this med complains of this effect. An other effect i had was, acne was back (he! ... i'm old now! don't want this anymore ...).
So i let it be .... and I'm back to 74kg (never been fat anyway).
If it is helpful to anyone with IBS ...

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