Best Bet Diet discussion

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Postby Ernst » Thu Jan 29, 2009 4:20 am

About feeling hungry.. we haven't noticed any hungry feelings. We have tried to make lots of different menu's and main idea is that food you eat is nutritious with lots of antioxidants. We have lots of berries from summer so that is something daily eaten. I remember at the beginning some of our friends thought that we are so "lost" with this "food as medicine" idea - but lately comments have changed. Maybe cause symptoms are gone and my wife looks healthier than before ms dx. Good nutrition affects even the cells at your skin and bmi too.

ps. exercise is one of our routine too. 3 x weekly lifting weights and some endurance training (mostly jogging)
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Postby jimmylegs » Thu Jan 29, 2009 5:24 am

food IS medicine, tell the doubters to see how they do without any.
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Postby Wonderfulworld » Fri Jan 30, 2009 6:00 am

Great to see all the replies and others on BBD. Yes Ernst, other people can be dismissive of MS diets, but from the sound of how well your wife is doing it's a real endorsement of BBD. I did do weights but in the 2 years I've let everything slip - started back doing my physio routine to build up my weak right side.

I am feeling encouraged, every day a tiny bit more energy, managed to do yoga last night for first time in ages. Time with my 1 year old son is more "do-able" with more energy. It's a huge incentive to keep with BBD, looking at him - I want to be able to run around after him and have fun. He's a VERY active little lad, thank goodness, and I have to be in top form to keep going.

So far I have actually put on weight this time :lol: . I think that I was planning my return to bbd so well I had gf/soy free/low sugar/dairy free/legume free soups and cakes made and frozen, nut butters, rice bread & rice milk in stock etc, so I am less hungry than the last time I started - I didn't really plan as well then and there were lots of starving moments! :
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Postby NHE » Sun Feb 01, 2009 1:16 am

jimmylegs wrote:food IS medicine, tell the doubters to see how they do without any.


...and if you want to see what the effect is of chronically poluting your body with junk, then I recommend watching the movie "Supersize Me"

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Postby jimmylegs » Sun Feb 01, 2009 4:50 am

too true NHE!
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Postby Ernst » Mon Feb 02, 2009 5:51 am

There are couple things which I consider very important with diet. The idea of defending antioxidants. In ms oxidative stress is one big threat and even researched area. With lots of antioxidants you can fight that process. One idea is also been on my mind: the well being of cells, especially mitocondria. Maybe mitocondrial failure plays very big part with ms. And poor nutrition has effect on this failure. You should check Terry Wahls page:
http://www.terrywahls.com/
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Postby DIM » Mon Feb 02, 2009 12:44 pm

As I mentioned in other thread Acetyl-L-Carnitine (300-500mg 4-6 times daily) helps ATP production and mitochondria function while GABA (>2gr daily before sleep) promotes remyelination through human growth hormone production.
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Postby Wonderfulworld » Mon Feb 02, 2009 12:58 pm

Ernst thanks for that link to Dr. Wahls website, it's very interesting. Again, it comes back to an approach similar to the Best Bet Diet, combined with detoxifying and antioxidant supplements.

DIM do you know if N-Acetyl-L-Carnitine woud to the same thing as Acetyl-L-Carnitine? Or do they work differently?
Thanks for the recommendation about GABA - I will look out for it.

I continue to have more energy....went for two short walks today, can't remember when I was last able to do that.
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Postby Ernst » Tue Feb 03, 2009 2:27 am

Supplements are fine.. but they are only supplements. In my opinion food is the most important thing. For example healthy vegetables, berries, fruits contains lots of different substances that promotes health in many ways. So healthy food comes first.. just my humble opinion.
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Postby jimmylegs » Tue Feb 03, 2009 5:10 am

obviously comes first, you can't live on supplements. but it's also case by case, supps are more important for some and less for others. i changed my diet right away after dx, but i don't think i'll ever get enough d3 from my diet. not to mention, i was so depleted in so many things that i could not even hope to build up stores with regular food. and when you're deficient, you need to address it in therapeutic terms. food is for maintaining health. the better the food, the better off you are. but when you're off the rails completely, you really don't want to waste time building up slowly, and a quick boost in the supp dept can't hurt at all!
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Postby DIM » Tue Feb 03, 2009 7:49 am

There are supplements you can't take from foods, say quercetin or EGCG, you have to eat/drink huge amounts of each food end even then they bind to iron stored in foods and don't work as they should!
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Postby DIM » Tue Feb 03, 2009 8:02 am

Wonderfulworld wrote:DIM do you know if N-Acetyl-L-Carnitine woud to the same thing as Acetyl-L-Carnitine? Or do they work differently?
Thanks for the recommendation about GABA - I will look out for it.

AFAIK it isn't with the ALC been more bioavailable but I may be wrong!
You can find pharmaceutical grade A-L-C that your insurance cover or at least this is what happens localy but you can;t easily find a doctor to prescribe it.
Without intention to advertise this is what I use for my wife: http://www.biosynergy.com/ALC.htm 4 times daily.
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Postby Ernst » Tue Feb 03, 2009 11:58 am

Just make sure to understand my thoughs --> I and my wife use many supplements, for example d3 (about 4000-5000 iu/day), omega-3, multimineral, etc. But I believe biggest advantage was when we changed way we eat - totally. I don't have ms - but have noticed lots of good things, especially in my moods and energy-levels. With ms I'd see the effect (diet + supplements) with my wifes condition. Without diet the result wouldn't be as succesful, even if she had used lots of supplements. Once again - my opinion, not scientific study. But I understand some science with nutrition and that is enough for me.
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Postby Loobie » Tue Feb 03, 2009 2:45 pm

I am getting ready to adopt this diet but don't know where to start since there is so much information out there about it. Google it and it's amazing how much info. is out there about it. Could someone please tell me which book or provide a link that is a good, concise summary of the BBD? I would greatly appreciate it. I always ate whatever I wanted and masked my bad diet by being a workout a holic. Well that's changed! So now I need to start to eat right and every time I go on vacation I eat really well since we do the nice restaraunt thing when we vacay. So the last Fla. trip I took I ate almost no protein other than fish, ate tons of leefy greens and lots and lots of fruit and I felt better for quite some time. Then I get back to dreary Ohio and start chowing hamburgers and savory stuff. I eat fairly well most of the time, but still eat wwaaayy too much animal fat, dairy and other stuff that I know goes against the whole concept. So a good easy to read webpage or book that summarizes the concept more than individual recipes (which is what I've been running into alot researching) would do me good. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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Postby DIM » Tue Feb 03, 2009 11:58 pm

Here you are
www.ms-diet.org
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