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Lithium for Progressive MS?

Postby patientx » Mon Mar 07, 2011 9:55 am

http://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/ ... sis&rank=1

I did a quick search to see why they would try Lithium on MS, and found this:

http://www.jimmunol.org/content/181/1/338.short
And an interesting video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjC-9mxjvx4

(No need to point out that this was in EAE.)

Of course, lithium is a pretty serious psychotropic drug, so it's probably not a good idea to take this outside of the study.
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Postby ikulo » Mon Mar 07, 2011 11:28 am

Interesting. Dr. Terry Wahls took 300 mg of lithium orotate twice daily (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2769364/) and she did have a remarkable recovery.

Though I agree that lithium is a very serious substance and probably not to be taken without professional supervision.
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Postby Daisy3 » Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:03 pm

Question I want answered is why Terry Wahls took lithium. For her MS or a mood disorder? She is doing some clinical trial with MS patients re her food and electrical stimulation. I wonder if lithium is also be given to those patients if they are too truly replicate all that she did.
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Postby ikulo » Thu Mar 10, 2011 3:50 pm

Some studies suggest that lithium may increase a person's own stem cell levels. So, theoretically, lithium could be a way to stimulate the body's own healing mechanism.
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Re: Lithium for Progressive MS?

Postby Liberation » Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:30 am

patientx wrote:http://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT01259388?term=lithium+multiple+sclerosis&rank=1

I did a quick search to see why they would try Lithium on MS, and found this:

http://www.jimmunol.org/content/181/1/338.short
And an interesting video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjC-9mxjvx4

(No need to point out that this was in EAE.)

Of course, lithium is a pretty serious psychotropic drug, so it's probably not a good idea to take this outside of the study.


Are you sure? How serious? Lithium orotate can be bought otc and sold as a food suppliment. If it has a very serious side effect then something is really wrong with your food administration. Lithium carbonic is the one that is a prescription drug and used for depression. Terry used lithium orotate.
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Re: Lithium for Progressive MS?

Postby patientx » Fri Apr 15, 2011 1:55 pm

Liberation wrote:
patientx wrote:http://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT01259388?term=lithium+multiple+sclerosis&rank=1

I did a quick search to see why they would try Lithium on MS, and found this:

http://www.jimmunol.org/content/181/1/338.short
And an interesting video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjC-9mxjvx4

(No need to point out that this was in EAE.)

Of course, lithium is a pretty serious psychotropic drug, so it's probably not a good idea to take this outside of the study.


Are you sure? How serious? Lithium orotate can be bought otc and sold as a food suppliment. If it has a very serious side effect then something is really wrong with your food administration. Lithium carbonic is the one that is a prescription drug and used for depression. Terry used lithium orotate.


I wasn't very specific, and I am far from an expert on these drugs; but, Lithium is prescribed for bipolar disorder, which I consider a fairly serious condition, so I would assume the drug used to treat it can have serious effects.

But, your post prompted me to do some googling. The form of lithium prescribed for bipolar disorder is lithium carbonate and has a much higher concentration of elemental lithium than found in the otc supplement lithium orotate. Having said that, even this supplement can cause adverse effects:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18072162
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Re: Lithium for Progressive MS?

Postby Liberation » Sat Apr 16, 2011 5:12 am

patientx wrote:
Liberation wrote:
patientx wrote:http://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT01259388?term=lithium+multiple+sclerosis&rank=1

I did a quick search to see why they would try Lithium on MS, and found this:

http://www.jimmunol.org/content/181/1/338.short
And an interesting video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjC-9mxjvx4

(No need to point out that this was in EAE.)

Of course, lithium is a pretty serious psychotropic drug, so it's probably not a good idea to take this outside of the study.


Are you sure? How serious? Lithium orotate can be bought otc and sold as a food suppliment. If it has a very serious side effect then something is really wrong with your food administration. Lithium carbonic is the one that is a prescription drug and used for depression. Terry used lithium orotate.


I wasn't very specific, and I am far from an expert on these drugs; but, Lithium is prescribed for bipolar disorder, which I consider a fairly serious condition, so I would assume the drug used to treat it can have serious effects.

But, your post prompted me to do some googling. The form of lithium prescribed for bipolar disorder is lithium carbonate and has a much higher concentration of elemental lithium than found in the otc supplement lithium orotate. Having said that, even this supplement can cause adverse effects:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18072162


Thanks patientx. the question is how serious if it can be bougth as a food suppliment. Overdosing yourself with certain vitamins or minerals can have damage on your health as well.

But as I said it can be still dangerous and FDA (in the US) is doing a poor job, which would not surprise me.
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Re: Lithium for Progressive MS?

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Re: Lithium for Progressive MS?

Postby bonzo » Tue Jun 03, 2014 12:05 pm

First, you cannot register for this site with MS Internet Explorer, you need Google Chrome.

I have Primary Progressive MS so I’m interested in any possibility of any cure.

For those who do not know about Lithium Orotate (everyone above), it has a low concentration of Lithium; about 4mg of Lithium for every 100mg of Lithium Orotate. It is not to be confused with the use of Lithium as a psychiatric drug (usually Lithium Carbonate) which uses far higher dosages of Lithium.

Dr Wahls was taking 300mg of Lithium Orotate during the first six months of her cure. Whether it did any good…

Lithium Orotate is not a drug for manic depressives and is usually sold as a supplement on Amazon and Ebay.

Having read her paper available on the net (‘Back from the Chair’), Dr Terry Wahls
took the following DAILY supplements:

200 mg B complex,
200 mg of Coenzyme Q 10
1 g of Alpha Lipoic Acid
600 mg of Acetyl L Carnitine
120 mg of Gingko
2 g of N Acetyl Cysteine
2 g of Taurine
2 g of Glutathione
200 mg of Resveratol
Lithium Orotate to yield 13 mg of elemental lithium (about 300mg of Lithium Orotate a day)

Also found somewhere:

‘Oral supplements such as Acetyl Glutathione, N Acetyl Cysteine, R-Alpha Lipoic Acid and Milk Thistle can have immense benefits when treating MS symptoms, reducing cellular damage and repairing damaged cells.’

Acetyl Glutathione looks interesting, but costs a fortune.

Good luck all MS sufferers.
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Re: Lithium for Progressive MS?

Postby NHE » Tue Jun 03, 2014 4:39 pm

bonzo wrote:First, you cannot register for this site with MS Internet Explorer, you need Google Chrome.


Not true. I just confirmed that IE 8.06.x works fine. I've also had no problems using Firefox. I personally stay away from Google Chrome as Google is an advertising company.
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