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Need a protein powder, whey or soy protein?

Postby Tyr616 » Sun Jan 02, 2011 9:43 pm

I know milk is a no no and i do my best to avoid it. But i also heard soy is a no no. I realyl could use protein powder for helping myself gain weight though. Would soy protein powder not be as detrimental?
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Postby hwebb » Sun Jan 02, 2011 10:25 pm

you could always try eating egg whites :)
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Postby Tyr616 » Sun Jan 02, 2011 10:43 pm

hwebb wrote:you could always try eating egg whites :)


well the protein powder comes with added benefit of calories, i really need to gain weight.
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Postby LR1234 » Mon Jan 03, 2011 3:23 am

I take immuno pro RX sometimes (although it is made using Milk whey)
I don't eat full dairy though.
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Postby tzootsi » Mon Jan 03, 2011 7:36 am

Several MS Diet theories say to rule out dairy (including whey), gluten and legumes (including soy). Eggs are also suspect. i think quinoa is a good source of protein as are nuts. Of course there is always fish and poultry.
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Postby jimmylegs » Mon Jan 03, 2011 9:29 am

IMHO dairy is only a no-no if you are actually allergic and/or consume it to excess ie if you do not control immune response by balancing inflammatory foods such as dairy, with anti-inflammatory ones (eg compare 1c kale, inflammation factor +439, strongly anti-inflammatory, to 1c whole milk, inflammation factor -77, mildly inflammatory. overall, target IF +50/d or higher).

if we were talking whole foods, obviously eggs would be the winner.
since we're talking powders, it seems whey comes out the winner.
http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/proteinrating.html

this non-academic resource
http://build-muscle-gain-weight.com/the ... -whey.html
also states that whey protein has the highest biological value. soy is disregarded. others listed options include egg and casein, with the egg powder coming second after whey. this author suggests using all three at different times depending on the situation. in principle i agree with spreading intake across a variety of different sources.

FYI i get information on inflammation factors from nutritiondata.com's food search tool. in many cases there's even a pull down menu to change serving size to your needs. unfortunately an inflammation factor for whey protein powder is not available.
http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/cus ... antity=4.0

the ND site does have information for `whey`although not specifically `whey protein powder`. two kinds of dried whey are listed, acid and sweet.

the dried acid whey has an IF of -178, moderately inflammatory.
http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/dai ... ucts/101/2

the dried sweet whey has an IF of -492, strongly inflammatory.
http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/dai ... ucts/103/2

ND does have an IF rating for egg white protein powder, and it`s moderately anti-inflammatory with an IF rating of +100:
http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/dai ... ucts/124/2

looks like you`d have to work harder to counter the IF of whey protein powder, whereas egg protein powder actually helps fight inflammation (i don`t get that though.. in whole food terms, a hard boiled egg is rated moderately inflammatory with an IF of -139...)

HTH!
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Postby Tyr616 » Mon Jan 03, 2011 2:07 pm

Thanks for the great advice guys, seems like egg protein is the safest and smartest bet. Gonna go with egg protein powder. Is it a issue if it contains soy lecithin? seems like most of the egg proteins have this to improve mixture etc.
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Postby LR1234 » Mon Jan 03, 2011 4:06 pm

Anyone noticed the Whey protein ad that has turned up next to this post??? Google never ceases to amaze me!!
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Postby ikulo » Mon Jan 03, 2011 6:29 pm

I think my post was deleted or just didn't go through. But I mentioned that there are products out there that provide vegan protein. Quinoa, amaranth, peas, rice, etc. If you google vegan protein you will get a few different products. I just started taking Garden of Life's vegan raw protein shake and it's decent.
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Postby jimmylegs » Mon Jan 03, 2011 9:14 pm

hey, t, i don't think the soy protein powder will be an issue.. maybe just try the egg/soy powder out, see how you feel, and keep an eye on your total daily IF (aiming for +50/day or higher).
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Postby jimmylegs » Thu Jan 06, 2011 8:49 am

t, just a heads-up - just now i had a complaint from a non-TIMS male using soy lecithin to treat gall bladder, re performance issues.
yes soy is estrogenic and while looking for a research paper on soy lecithin effects on testosterone, i found this:
http://cebp.aacrjournals.org/content/16/4/829.full
Clinical and Biological Activity of Soy Protein Powder Supplementation in Healthy Male Volunteers
"Soy protein powder decreases serum testosterone levels in healthy men"
i doubt the lecithin in the egg protein powder will be high enough concentration to cause you grief but at least you chose egg not soy powder!
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