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Does anyone get cramps on the inside of your thighs? I get them so BAD it is unbearble. It is the muscle from my knee to my groin on the very inside of my leg. Potassium aint working. I mean these cramps are severe and there is nothing you can do for it as far as stretching it out. Last night, I had to take 4 muscle relaxers and 2 oxycodones to help, but that was long term help, I need to know how to get rid of it or avoid it all together. Any suggestions?

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w/m 44
The problem comes with the decision of weighing the unknown with the unknown.

heya bubba

magnesium. potassium helps it work, but magnesium is the thing that will literally get in the way of calcium contracting those muscles.

ways to improve magnesium status:

increase dietary dark leafy green, nuts, fish.
avoid caffeine, alcohol.
try an absorbable magnesium supplement like magnesium glycinate.

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my approach: no meds so far - just balanced whole foods (partial 'paleo', much less outright elimination), science, supplements, & bloodwork
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www.whfoods.com, www.nutritiondata.com

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my approach: no meds so far - just balanced whole foods (partial 'paleo', much less outright elimination), science, supplements, & bloodwork
my regimen - www.thisisms.com/ftopict-2489.html
www.whfoods.com, www.nutritiondata.com

citation pertaining to HYPOthyroidism:
Magnes Res 1997 Dec;10(4):329-37

Magnesium deficit in a sample of the Belgian population presenting with chronic fatigue.

97 patients (25 per cent males, ages ranging from 14 to 73 years, median 38 years) with complaints of chronic fatigue (chronic fatigue syndrome, fibromyalgia or/and spasmophilia) have been enrolled in a prospective study to evaluate the Mg status and the dietary intake of Mg. An IV loading test (performed following the Ryzen protocol) showed a Mg deficit in 44 patients. After Mg supplementation in 24 patients, the loading test showed a significant decrease (p = 0.0018) in Mg retention. Mean values of serum Mg, red blood cell Mg and magnesuria showed no significant difference between patients with or without Mg deficiency. No association was found between Mg deficiency, CFS or FM. However serum Mg level was significantly lower in the patients with spasmophilia than in the other patients.

i will look at the full text later - might be a re-assess on these conclusions to follow.

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my approach: no meds so far - just balanced whole foods (partial 'paleo', much less outright elimination), science, supplements, & bloodwork
my regimen - www.thisisms.com/ftopict-2489.html
www.whfoods.com, www.nutritiondata.com

Bubba;

I don't get cramps in that particular muscle but I do get them in my calf muscles. I have found that significant near instant relief can be had by placing your bare foot on a cold surface - the colder the better - and bearing down with all the weight you can.

If the cramps are the MS expressing itself then there is no real underlying cause other that faulty wiring. I think the sudden cold sensation simply acts as a circuit reset switch. Try it, it may not help but it sure won't hurt.

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Carpe Diem

http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/10 ... 9409095213

Comparative findings on serum IMg2+ of normal and diseased human subjects with the Nova and Kone Ise's for Mg2+

"...coronary heart disease, rectal cancer and multiple sclerosis patients exhibit extracellular deficits in ionized free Mg."

http://ajplegacy.physiology.org/content/204/2/202.short

Local vascular effects of hypokalemia, alkalosis, hypercalcemia, and hypomagnesemia

"...b) in situ limb small vessels and kidney vessels respond to combinations of local hypokalemia, hypercalcemia, alkalosis, and hypomagnesemia with much more marked constriction than occurs with any one of the abnormalities alone;"

http://www.john-libbey-eurotext.fr/e-do ... icle.phtml

Long term magnesium supplementation influences favourably the natural evolution of neuropathy in Mg-depleted type 1 diabetic patients (T1dm)

"Chronic Mg depletion in T1dm has been linked to polyneuropathy (PNP). ...long term Mg supplementation is able to restore a normal Mg status and influence favourably the natural evolution of PNP as compared to non supplemented T1dm controls."

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my approach: no meds so far - just balanced whole foods (partial 'paleo', much less outright elimination), science, supplements, & bloodwork
my regimen - www.thisisms.com/ftopict-2489.html
www.whfoods.com, www.nutritiondata.com

I also take magnesium, I take everything you told me to over a year ago with the exception of the zinc (it made me sick). I eat the mess out of collards, mustards, and turnips! Now ya know I LOVE MY BEER, but if that is causing that cramp, I will give it up.
Bob, my whole family is on thyroid meds, but, my thyroid checked out okay???

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w/m 44
The problem comes with the decision of weighing the unknown with the unknown.

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ya maybe take a break from the beers to see what happens. alcohol depletes zinc, magnesium, and a whack of other things. glad to hear you're mowin' down on those greens!!!!! i wish you would try to take *some* zinc. so important.. hope you get rid of these cramps!!

TO ALCOHOL:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUVwR0rw5fk

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my approach: no meds so far - just balanced whole foods (partial 'paleo', much less outright elimination), science, supplements, & bloodwork
my regimen - www.thisisms.com/ftopict-2489.html
www.whfoods.com, www.nutritiondata.com

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Bubba,

Sounds like spasticity. Try to get a hold of some Baclofen and see if it helps!

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magnesium is another standard option... without the risk of central depression, hypotonia, sedation or coma...

Anaesthesia databook: a perioperative and peripartum manual
(tetanus section)
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my approach: no meds so far - just balanced whole foods (partial 'paleo', much less outright elimination), science, supplements, & bloodwork
my regimen - www.thisisms.com/ftopict-2489.html
www.whfoods.com, www.nutritiondata.com