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Bee stings

Postby bromley » Tue Oct 18, 2005 1:01 pm

Bees stings for MS don't work


http://www.msif.org/en/research/researc ... d_cro.html


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PS I've heard that bite of the King Cobra stops MS in its tracks.
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Re: Bee stings

Postby Melody » Tue Oct 18, 2005 1:40 pm

bromley wrote:

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PS I've heard that bite of the King Cobra stops MS in its tracks.


Really Quick if your a mouse apparently. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Bee stings

Postby JFH » Wed Oct 19, 2005 2:00 am

bromley wrote:Bees stings for MS don't work

Isnt it a pity :( that all that research effort needs to go into refuting a crackpot, but moneyspinning, idea! What's the next waste of time/money/itellectual effort ..... goat's blood or stem-cell brain implants!? Watch this space. :wink:
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Postby Melody » Wed Oct 19, 2005 5:07 am

Actually I know 2 people from our support group alone that keep hives. They both swear it controls pain and gives them relief. Must say hubby is leery of it and has no pain at this time so not needed any way. It actually hits allot of points that acupuncture does. I'd read the book by Amber Rose and found it quite interesting as I do acupuncture. Might not be a cure but if it controls pain and you are brave enough maybe it's for you. The honey is great just not pasteurized which doesn't worry me but it does worry some I know.
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Postby kitkat2 » Wed Oct 19, 2005 6:21 am

Makes me wonder if the histamine theory has something to do with bee sting success in some people.(??)
Even if you're not allergic, bee venom remains a foreign substance and I'd think it may increase the release of histamine.

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Postby amelia » Wed Oct 19, 2005 8:28 am

:D Just as well use the king cobra with my husband. He is allergic to bee stings really bad. :D
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Postby raven » Wed Oct 19, 2005 12:25 pm

What the hell did they use for placebo... Wasps??? 8O
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Postby Melody » Wed Oct 19, 2005 12:52 pm

Actually the two I know one a man and one a women pick them up by the wings and then sting a certain point. Pretty much close to pressure points in some cases. In the winter you actually have to bring the bees in to warm them up. The bee gets one sting then dies. I helped map out the points from Amber Rose's book but must admit I will only peak through the window while any bees are on the loose. :lol: :lol:
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Postby HarryZ » Thu Oct 20, 2005 5:15 pm

kitkat2 wrote:Makes me wonder if the histamine theory has something to do with bee sting success in some people.(??)
Even if you're not allergic, bee venom remains a foreign substance and I'd think it may increase the release of histamine.

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The histamine theory goes back to Dr. Hinton Jonez who gave thousands of MS patients IV histamine at his Tacoma MS Clinic from 1949-1952. The benefit that this gave MS patients at the time was quite remarkable and there wasn't one patient who ended up with any kind of severe side effect.

The sad part was Dr. Jonez died suddenly in 1952 and all of his research and work with histamine stopped abruptly and was never continued despite the success he achieved. Even back then, he debated often with the MS docs of the day who refused to recognize his success.

Today, the histamine treatment can be obtained by using the transdermal patch, Prokarin, which slowly and under control, supplies your system with the histamine diphosphate. My wife has used it for 5 1/2 years now and has had a lot of success controlling many of her MS symptoms.

One theory behind bee sting therapy is that the body produces extra histamine from the stings and thus the reason some people experience some benefit. But that is one heck of a way to get additional histamine into your system and in a very uncontrolled manner.

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Postby JFH » Fri Oct 21, 2005 5:01 am

The problem I have with the anecdotal accounts of the efficacy of bee string, goats boold ... is that good science (2bpc trials) shows that in fact these "treatments" dont work. The outcome of this study cant be more clear (ok only 50 subjects) this is explicit:
During bee sting therapy, there was no significant reduction in the cumulative number of new gadolinium-enhancing lesions. The T2*-weighted lesion load further progressed, and there was no significant reduction in relapse rate. There was no improvement of disability, fatigue, and quality of life.
Its disappointing, I'd like every trial to prove positive and have a whole bunch of therapies to choose from, but more often than not the answer will be just as here and we should accept that, draw a line and move on. Perhaps moving on here is to consider histamines ...

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