This Is MS Multiple Sclerosis Community: Knowledge & Support

Welcome to the world's leading forum on Multiple Sclerosis research, support, and knowledge. For over 10 years, This is MS has provided an unbiased community dedicated to Multiple Sclerosis patients, caregivers, and affected loved ones.
It is currently Fri May 24, 2013 9:58 am


All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 15 posts ] 
Author Message
PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 3:05 pm 
Offline
Family Member
User avatar

Joined: Fri Oct 24, 2008 3:00 pm
Posts: 67
Any suggestions for sleeping remedies? I have tried melatonin and a few others, can't remember their names now. I am currenting taking Zoplocone but would like to try someting more natural but successful. Never seems to amaze me, no matter how tied I am, I cannot sleep. Help would be greatly appreciated.

Jam


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 3:35 pm 
Offline
Volunteer Moderator

Joined: Sat Mar 11, 2006 4:00 pm
Posts: 7626
you might want to read up on magnesium (sources, interactions, depletion, bioavailability, solubility, forms, doses, timing etc)... might benefit the fatigue and feeling of weight on your chest from that other post also....

_________________
my approach: no meds so far - just balanced whole foods (partial 'paleo', much less outright elimination), science, supplements, & bloodwork
my regimen - www.thisisms.com/ftopict-2489.html
www.whfoods.com, www.nutritiondata.com


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 4:20 pm 
Offline
Family Elder
User avatar

Joined: Sun Nov 22, 2009 4:00 pm
Posts: 331
Valarium, a natural herb, is very effective and quite safe.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 6:05 pm 
Offline
Volunteer Moderator

Joined: Sat Mar 11, 2006 4:00 pm
Posts: 7626
i'm one person who doesn't react well to that one.. first and only time i tried it - years prior to dx - i ended up off work for three days thinking i was sick before i realized it was the herb sapping my strength! consider dosing carefully until you know how your system reacts.

_________________
my approach: no meds so far - just balanced whole foods (partial 'paleo', much less outright elimination), science, supplements, & bloodwork
my regimen - www.thisisms.com/ftopict-2489.html
www.whfoods.com, www.nutritiondata.com


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 1:00 pm 
Offline
Family Member
User avatar

Joined: Fri Oct 24, 2008 3:00 pm
Posts: 67
Thanks, will try those, I should point out I have tried manganese (citrate) before bed but maybe I am not taking correctly.

Jam


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:10 pm 
Offline
Volunteer Moderator

Joined: Sat Mar 11, 2006 4:00 pm
Posts: 7626
manganese, or magnesium?

_________________
my approach: no meds so far - just balanced whole foods (partial 'paleo', much less outright elimination), science, supplements, & bloodwork
my regimen - www.thisisms.com/ftopict-2489.html
www.whfoods.com, www.nutritiondata.com


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 4:59 pm 
Offline
Family Member
User avatar

Joined: Fri Aug 20, 2010 3:00 pm
Posts: 57
Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Hi jam,

Every body is different but here is what worked for me. Had been on baclofen for 2 years and gotten EXTREME insomnia - slept one hour every 24 hours. Went off this med - didn't do anything for me anyway. Stayed away from sugar and changed my sleeping position - layed on my back with pillows under my knees. Soon I was sleeping thru the night. Had tried different aids also but nothing helped until I tried the above. Can't drink the dark colas after 8 pm as I will be awake - caffeine?? Have never drank coffee.

Take care.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 5:20 pm 
Offline
Volunteer Moderator

Joined: Sat Mar 11, 2006 4:00 pm
Posts: 7626
good ideas to avoid those various things - sugar, caffeine and coffee all cause the body to dump magnesium.

_________________
my approach: no meds so far - just balanced whole foods (partial 'paleo', much less outright elimination), science, supplements, & bloodwork
my regimen - www.thisisms.com/ftopict-2489.html
www.whfoods.com, www.nutritiondata.com


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 6:02 pm 
Offline
Family Elder
User avatar

Joined: Wed Aug 11, 2004 3:00 pm
Posts: 1610
Tart cherry juice seems to be working like a charm for my girlfriend.

http://www.northumbria.ac.uk/browse/ne/ ... herryjuice

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22038497

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3133468/


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 3:32 pm 
Offline
Family Member
User avatar

Joined: Fri Oct 24, 2008 3:00 pm
Posts: 67
Thanks again for the responses. I have tried the tried the tart cherry.

Jimmy in response to you, I am taking go magnesium 800 for nerve support. May be I should take more of it?


Jam


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:49 pm 
Offline
Volunteer Moderator

Joined: Sat Mar 11, 2006 4:00 pm
Posts: 7626
hi i looked up the product and found these details:

http://www.kiwidrug.com/gohealthynz/magnesium_800/
Ingredients per VegeCap
Magnesium aspartate (equiv. Magnesium 20mg) 100mg,
Magnesium amino acid chelate (equiv. Magnesium 20mg) 100mg,
Magnesium citrate (equiv. Magnesium 20mg) 100mg,
Magnesium oxide (equiv. Magnesium 300mg) 500mg
(TOTAL ELEMENTAL MAGNESIUM 360mg)

so, the largest part of that 360 mg you're getting is 300mg one of the least absorbable forms, unfortunately. because it is relatively insoluble you won't be able to absorb most of it. and no, i wouldn't add any more of that to your daily regimen, or you might find yourself running to the toilet too often!

see if you can find a magnesium glycinate product. that is the best absorbed form that i'm aware of.
eg: http://www.netpharmacy.co.nz/prl-quantu ... 0-capsules
if you tell me where you are i'll see if i can find you a link to a better local deal. i pay $20 CDN for a bottle but i'll have to get back to you with the number of capsules.

also, epsom salts (magnesium sulfate) baths according to package directions could be useful.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnesium_sulfate

best of all, a solid boost to your intake of healthy magnesium-rich foods could help (synergies with other food nutrients are really important!)
http://whfoods.org/genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=75

and last but not least, avoiding foods that deplete or interfere with magnesium could help a lot.
"Interferences from food, drugs, alcohol, hormones, other supplements (Frequent consumption of alcohol, coffee, food components ie, phytates, phosphorous, fiber, saturated fats, tannins, polyphenols can block or decrease mineral absorption. Antacids, anti-inflammatories, antibiotics, diuretics, or hormone replacement can cause considerable depletion of magnesium. Digoxin, Amiodarone and Betapace (sotalol) are known depleters of Mg.(4) High-dose calcium supplements compete as do calcium-containing antacids like Tums; consuming large quantities of caffeine and alcohol can deplete magnesium – ie, diuretic effect.)" (note a key 'other supplement' not specified is vitamin D3 - an important supplement that must be carefully timed...)

in spite of the above, please also note: "How does absorption occur in the small intestine? The presence of calcium is an influencing factor. Magnesium and calcium have a natural affinity for each other. Scientists have learned that if either of the minerals is consumed greatly in excess, it will be carried out of the system with the aid of the other element. However, these minerals are absorbed more easily when they are both present than when either is present alone. Thus, a deficiency of either element can cause a deficiency of the other as well, particularly in tissues where they are needed."

ps exercise and stress also increase the body's magnesium demand.

finally, if you get tested ensure your serum level is at LEAST 0.90 mmol/L ('normal' range is 0.70 - 1.10 mmol/L, so ensure that you stay in the top half of the range).

if you incorporate all that, including a successful boost to your serum levels, and still aren't sleeping, 1) i'll be amazed, and 2) then we'll try harder to find the solution :)

remember let me know where you are so i can try to find you a local source for mag glycinate. ttfn!

_________________
my approach: no meds so far - just balanced whole foods (partial 'paleo', much less outright elimination), science, supplements, & bloodwork
my regimen - www.thisisms.com/ftopict-2489.html
www.whfoods.com, www.nutritiondata.com


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:43 pm 
Offline
Family Member
User avatar

Joined: Fri Oct 24, 2008 3:00 pm
Posts: 67
Jimmylegs

I am quake city, Chch NZ, so it might be best if I get my husband to source it. If you have ideas about brands I could see what it avail.

Thanks for your kind offer.


Jam :smile:


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:24 pm 
Offline
Volunteer Moderator

Joined: Sat Mar 11, 2006 4:00 pm
Posts: 7626
oh, man! i tried to check a few local stores but at least one is still rebuilding. you might decide to use that other link above and order the PRL quantum online. i tried looking up a few nz based manufacturers but there are not many using magnesium glycinate :(
good luck, hope you can get some!

_________________
my approach: no meds so far - just balanced whole foods (partial 'paleo', much less outright elimination), science, supplements, & bloodwork
my regimen - www.thisisms.com/ftopict-2489.html
www.whfoods.com, www.nutritiondata.com


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 4:10 pm 
Offline
Family Member
User avatar

Joined: Fri Oct 24, 2008 3:00 pm
Posts: 67
Thanks Jimmyl, it may take some time but will try.

Jam


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 4:32 pm 
Offline
Getting to Know You...

Joined: Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:45 pm
Posts: 12
Location: San Francisco
Idebenone helps me sleep through noisy nights.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idebenone

It seems to help me with bladder related issues, as well. I take 150mg daily.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 15 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ]


Related topics
 Topics   Author   Replies   Views   Last post 
There are no new unread posts for this topic. Does anyone have trouble sleeping?

kinch52

8

3481

Wed Mar 03, 2004 6:43 am

fightingms View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. Sleeping alot

omega2128

3

979

Tue Oct 05, 2010 9:22 am

tara97 View the latest post

 


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to: