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Lifestyle changes give hope to MS patients

Postby MSUK » Tue Aug 07, 2012 1:09 am

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A Western Australian physician and his research team have reported positive results in managing Multiple Sclerosis (MS) through lifestyle modifications.

The study, ‘Health-related quality of life outcomes at 1 and 5 years after a residential retreat promoting lifestyle modification for people with multiple sclerosis,’ published in the international journal Neurological Sciences, is based on healthy lifestyle changes that Professor George Jelinek has successfully followed himself since his diagnosis of MS thirteen years ago.

The research was carried out over five years with a study cohort of over 300 people diagnosed with MS.

Participants committed to a lifestyle modification program at an MS retreat at the Gawler Foundation in Victoria.

After a baseline assessment participants were asked to complete a lengthy questionnaire one year after the MS retreat and again five years later.

Results after one year showed a median improvement of 11.3 per cent in overall quality of life and after five years this percentage rose to 19.5 per cent.... Read More - http://www.msrc.co.uk/index.cfm/fuseact ... ageid/1693
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Re: Lifestyle changes give hope to MS patients

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Re: Lifestyle changes give hope to MS patients

Postby Thomas » Wed Aug 08, 2012 4:27 am

Thank you for posting this very interesting article squiffy2.
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Re: Lifestyle changes give hope to MS patients

Postby vesta » Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:15 am

MS studies like these remind me of what is said about the 13th Century Scholastic School of theologians (e.g. Thomas Aquinas) who laboured over the question of how many angels could dance on the head of a pin (or point of a needle.) - good brainpower wasting time on an erroneous idea (or silly belief). The erroneous idea is that MS is an auto-immune disease. The auto-immune response is secondary to the true cause of MS, a blood reflux which injures the brain and spinal cord. The origin of the reflux may be structural (CCSVI stenosis) as proposed by Professor Zamboni or it may be a "temporary" stress reaction to a toxic substance. Consult my site MS Cure Enigmas.net for a reality check, then check out CCSVI.
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Re: Lifestyle changes give hope to MS patients

Postby HarryZ » Thu Aug 09, 2012 5:26 am

vesta wrote:MS studies like these remind me of what is said about the 13th Century Scholastic School of theologians (e.g. Thomas Aquinas) who laboured over the question of how many angels could dance on the head of a pin (or point of a needle.) - good brainpower wasting time on an erroneous idea (or silly belief). The erroneous idea is that MS is an auto-immune disease. The auto-immune response is secondary to the true cause of MS, a blood reflux which injures the brain and spinal cord. The origin of the reflux may be structural (CCSVI stenosis) as proposed by Professor Zamboni or it may be a "temporary" stress reaction to a toxic substance. Consult my site MS Cure Enigmas.net for a reality check, then check out CCSVI.


Vesta,

Daring to question the long held theory that MS is an auto-immune disease will place you in the cross-hairs of several people in the world of MS medicine. :lol:

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Re: Lifestyle changes give hope to MS patients

Postby Gogo » Thu Aug 09, 2012 6:02 am

vesta wrote:MS studies like these remind me of what is said about the 13th Century Scholastic School of theologians (e.g. Thomas Aquinas) who laboured over the question of how many angels could dance on the head of a pin (or point of a needle.) - good brainpower wasting time on an erroneous idea (or silly belief). The erroneous idea is that MS is an auto-immune disease. The auto-immune response is secondary to the true cause of MS, a blood reflux which injures the brain and spinal cord. The origin of the reflux may be structural (CCSVI stenosis) as proposed by Professor Zamboni or it may be a "temporary" stress reaction to a toxic substance. Consult my site MS Cure Enigmas.net for a reality check, then check out CCSVI.


Vesta,
I am new here, but it is really good that you found a cure for MS. Lots of people have been working on it, but you got it. Congratulation. I can already see the lots of cured people after angioplasty. Thousands of people went to angioplasty and thousands got cured. MS is erased.

P.S. I still do not know what to make of those studies who see CCSVI differently. They are just not told that this is the cure??? Lots of healthy people have stenoses and most of the people have MS even after angioplasty.

Believe me, I would be happy if Zamboni were right, but even the proponents at CCSVI forum are not cured after angioplasty. What is this strong belief based on??? Show me some statistics that progression was stopped at a fair number of patients after angioplasty, not anecdotical, but something justified by neurologists.
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Re: Lifestyle changes give hope to MS patients

Postby HarryZ » Thu Aug 09, 2012 6:15 am

I am new here, but it is really good that you found a cure for MS. Lots of people have been working on it, but you got it. Congratulation. I can already see the lots of cured people after angioplasty. Thousands of people went to angioplasty and thousands got cured. MS is erased.


Perhaps I read the wrong website but nowhere did I see mention of CCSVI or any other treatment as a "cure" for MS. I guess some people impose their own views and interpretation on what they read.
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Re: Lifestyle changes give hope to MS patients.

Postby vesta » Thu Aug 09, 2012 11:42 am

Well, you can't cure something if you don't know what it is. I believe Multiple Sclerosis is only secondarily an auto-immune problem. Rather, it is a venous blood circulation disorder, the immune system activity being a normal reaction subsequent to injury. This activity MAY injure the central nervous system (CNS), but treatment should focus on the primary CAUSE - a blood circulation disorder (CCSVI). Angioplasty carries many risks, even a worsening of the vein blockage. If it works, it would be a cure. But development of this solution requires the work of vein specialists, not neurologists. As soon as I read about Dr Zamboni's blood circulation theory, it changed my life. I had all the treatment techniques necessary (some self), I just needed the IDEA. I've tried to give ideas for controlling the disease process and minimizing the damage caused by the blood reflux. (And if it's a stress reaction to a toxic substance such as aspartame, remove the toxicity and it has been cured.) Read a bit more carefully what I've written under Cure or Control. Eventually MS will be recognized as a form of slow motion stroke, the cause a problem of blood circulation, the effects neurological damage. Neurologists will function as they do now for stroke victims, no more. As far as ruffling the feathers of the auto-immune crowd, I could care less. I'm being blunt because too much time (and money) has been wasted. If I had known this 20 years ago I wouldn't need a cane today. See MS Cure Enigmas.net
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Re: Lifestyle changes give hope to MS patients

Postby Razgo » Sat Aug 11, 2012 6:45 pm

Regarding life style changes that is exactly what my wife are doing now. moving from city to country/bush in Stanthorpe area (QLD).

At the very least i hoping my wifes lungs will improve and chest infections become a thing of the past. clean air and herbs is the new goal now. and no more cars, planes, and train noises and polution :)
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Re: Lifestyle changes give hope to MS patients

Postby jimmylegs » Sun Aug 12, 2012 4:07 am

hi razgo, re infections, has your wife had her serum zinc level tested, by any chance?
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Re: Lifestyle changes give hope to MS patients

Postby Razgo » Sun Aug 12, 2012 12:32 pm

i dont think so. she has had many full blood count tests done but not specific to that. I will have to check the paperwork. Mostly her chest infections is from aspiration so she gets what they call silent Pneumonia. since she can no longer swollow properly and cannot move. (i move her).

i give her herbal teas like dandelion root an elder flower to at least help her heal faster when it does occur. I have to use a suction machine to help also when she coughs as she is not always able actually cough up and out the flem which in turn can lead to infections.
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Re: Lifestyle changes give hope to MS patients

Postby jimmylegs » Sun Aug 12, 2012 1:15 pm

i used to have dysphagia that messed up my ability to swallow, it's very scary. i could feel the fluid going into my lungs, but the tests i took weren't sensitive enough to detect it properly. i was able to correct the problem using magnesium - when you check your wife's bloodwork, do look for a serum magnesium result too. i could not believe how quickly it turned me around in 2007, before that i thought i was going to die :( no fun.
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Re: Lifestyle changes give hope to MS patients

Postby Razgo » Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:45 pm

well my wife had never had a serum zinc test done before. But recently in trying to figure out why my wife has high liver enzymes the doctor ordered a zinc serum tests amongst other things to check. The reference range is 8-18 and she was 7

However this was after i had changed her diet from nutrison which had NO zinc in it to enure plus which does hae zinc in it. so i suspect her zinc levels may have indeed been a lot lower in the past.

So since then i give her some zinc drops each day.

Short of doing a liver biopsy an Ultra sound was done to take another look at everything and it all returned norman accept for 2 things.

1. Spleen upper normal size
2. Incidental 4x4mm echogenic structure as a small scar or tiny angiomyelolipoma at the mid pole of the left kidney.

these 2 things may seem insignificant but when you then ad high liver enzymes to that mix you now have

1. High Liver enzymes
2. Spleen upper normal size
2. Incidental 4x4mm echogenic structure as a small scar or tiny angiomyelolipoma

anyone see a pattern here?

to me this equals Lyme Disease.

I could be wrong but in the absence of no other reason for the above it all points to this. So i have asked my doctor if he is willing to pursue this and at least illiminate or include it as part of my wifes health issues.
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Re: Lifestyle changes give hope to MS patients

Postby Razgo » Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:50 pm

The doctor originaly kept thinking it was augmentin antibiotic related with these high liver enzymes but it did not match totally because she shouldl also have jaundice and other symptoms if this was the case and she does not show any signs of jaundace.
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Postby Razgo » Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:52 pm

oh and she has pneumonia again more than likely aspirated pneumonia.
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