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Interesting angle Steve,

You don't appear to be selling anything, you have a way out there theory and you claim near enough to 100% success rate.

So if I work through the logic, spread the word through internet, well there are plenty of crackpots doing that already and the internet public is wary of this, so if you use the method you are using, like it or not you are in with the crackpots.

If your process works as you say, you need some hard data and evidence, not just internet testimonials.

Sounds like an almost anything cure from common cold to MS, your technique is non invassive and does not appear to have any significant associated risks so there should be no shortage of subjects.
Now everyone knows everyone through six degrees of seperation, so it should only take one or two degrees to find a subject for a documented trial, doesn't need to be supervised initial trials only need to provide enough proof to propose a hypothesis for a clinical trial.

You will need to gain consent from the subject to publish some of their medical records, video document the entire process and record all data and symptomatic changes, then repeat this process a number of times and with the timeframe of cures you should be able to accumulate a hundred or so case history's within 1-6 months, prime time TV is a surefire bet with that amount of data, and as they say, the rest is history.
I can tell you right now, if I was suffering from a chronic, incurable illness, have no doubt I would have no hesitation about publishing my entire medical history and healing process as I wouldn't want anyone to suffer what I was going through. I am not though, but I dare say anyone in that position would have no hesitation of doing that.

There are millions of alternative therapies with miracle cure promises, yet they all just remain as promises, for every cured testimonial there is thousands of individuals who weren't cured and there is always some bizzare rationale for why these individuals did not respond to the therapy, a lot of them are genuine people who truly believe in their thing, but even more are evil "Snake Oil" vendors who should be impriosoned for the pain they inflict on society.

So in a nutshell, you're gonna have to do a lot better than you have so far, hard data and facts is the order of the day.

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I am just an interested individual trying to crack the autoimmune nut.
Partner has Graves Disease, 5 years, showing good test results, looking forward to potential remission in the near future.
3 friends have MS, 1 just recently diagnosed, severity 7/10.

Thanks for the suggestion , Cave. The resistance to trying this though is beyond what anyone might predict,

I agree with you on what you said about alternative therapies not working. t. I had a virus for years that I couldnt beat. So I moved to San Francisco just to try as many alternative therapies as I could, that being the capitol of alternative therapies. I tried one after another trying to find one that stimulated my immunity. All of them worked to do that to varying degrees. For about an hour or less. Then each would conk out, usuallly diminshing over the hour or less. TO make a long story short what seemed to be happening , based on a number of my observations, was that it is easy to stimulate the immune system into a state where it becomes overheated so to speak and starts attacking itself, autoimmune. And for almost every method, there does not appear to be enough of a regulation of the immune system,it appeared from the suppressor arm of the immune system , to keep that from happening, the non evolved methods of stimulation not stimulating that arm as much as the attack arm, so the immune system then when in danger of becoming overheated refuses thereafter to be stimulated, to protect against this autoimmune reaction.

THere is one and only one exception, I have concluded from my observations Those therapies which evolved in man over eons of years of our history on earth, because it seems that only then does this suppressor or regulatory arm become stimulated enough to keep things in check. to keep things in check during stimulation of the attacking cells. I found out too through testing myself that we had to do the behavior or recreate the condition that was stimulating our immunity often enough, long enough in close enough to the same way as we would have thoughout mans history for it to keep working now without conking out. You may be able to guess the few things that qualify. Certain things that occur in the womb to each fetus, the position of the hands specifically,and I found that being in what I think is the theta brainwave state was another. I read it speculated that that was the common state in the womb, after I found I I could create it within ten seconds of looking at the so called random white noise of the static or snow on an old style, analogue, tv set, which is perfectly random, not digital internet or modern digital tv static which is not completely ranndom. Again IF I was far enough from any source of electronic radiation. Extremely strong immune and other system stimulation that never conked out no matter how long I did it.

Another , although weaker one that didnt conk out was breathing the negative ions of plants if I put my nose close enough to the plant or was in a very dense area, some plants doing it better than others. Its easy to see how that would have occurred constantly over the ages in the jungles in Africa, etc. Being at seashores was another. due tp again breathing the negative ions the waves crashing on the shore create but even more importantly, from being near the salt crystals as they are in the process of creation on the sand or rocks after each wave deposits more seawater. We must have spent a lot of time near seashores. You may have noticed the lift you get being right to the water at seashores. My muscles contracting, as I posted before due to this unique factor in my blood tipping me off during all these experiences that t my immunity was being stimuled and telling me to what degree the stimulation was, based on how great the muscle contraction was. Thusly I was able to beat that virus that all the other alternative therapies failed in curing.

Btw I had to call around to various University physics departments until I found a high energy physicist from Stanford who could explain how just being near an object could affect me. He expl ained that it would have to be due to the fact that cosmic rays strike atoms in the object mostly by electrons and that causes the emission of gamma rays from the atom in the same wavelength as each atom emits which then strike us greatly enough if near enough and thereby trigger the same immune and overall body healing systems stimulation that the other evolved methods trigger, and I concluded that if we gained enough familiarity with the specific combination of gamma ray wavelengths emitting from the nearby molecule, in this case of so often near a forming salt crystal at seashores, which are almost all almost identical in make up, l, then the stimulatory effect didnt conk out.

Steve

I cant actually tell ou if Mary was going into remission after one day or two or three because it was on the forth day that I saw her again.

STeve

I think that CaveMan was being very kind to you when he used the word "crackpots".
You offer a cure for almost every auto-immune disease known to science but have only excuses when it comes to providing real scientific evidence.
Is it possible that you spent too many eons breathing the negative ion emissions of tropical plants, or too many years breathing the fumes from certain recreational substances.
And of course you have cured a friend who only has possible MS (which takes a neurologist to diagnose, and not a radiologist) and do not seem to even entertain the possibility of remission. Perhaps you should find out a little more about MS before you make the wild and unproven claims.

Sorry, don't buy that at all,

You are saying you have a fail safe cure,
You have numerous individuals who will stand up for you because they have been cured and you can not find one single individual with a serious condition not willing to give it a try.

Have a read through this forum, these people between them have tried just about everything that has shown even the remotest possibility of helping them.

Seriously, you are either exaggerating or outright lying, I have no idea about the validity of your technique, but I do know human behaviour and there is enough evidence out there that when people are up against the wall with chronic disease, they will do almost anything, sit under tin pyramids, only wear purple, energise crystals in moonlight, you name it they'll try it.

You can forget about posting any more tales of your rare blood compound and your in depth discussions with harvard physicists, I can say I spoke to Obama today, so what, where's the numbers, where's the data?

Go away and get the hard stuff, then come back, well you won't have to come back because it will be all over prime time, and don't worry these people here will see it, this little forum isn't there only link to the outside world.

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I am just an interested individual trying to crack the autoimmune nut.
Partner has Graves Disease, 5 years, showing good test results, looking forward to potential remission in the near future.
3 friends have MS, 1 just recently diagnosed, severity 7/10.

Has anyone ever noticed imrprovement in symptoms during hours or a day or two after either walking by the water at seashores or hiking through dense plant areas, both of which trigger all the healing mechanisms that this fetal hand position triggers, although not as strongly, I have noticed, the former via breathing negative ions from plants and the latter doing the same created by the waves crashing, I have read, and also due to the proximity of the forming salt crystals from water laid down by each wave which I have tested? Note all three method also have antiinflammatory effects. I have tested this when I get a burn with the fetal hand position, I use it and the burn pain stops shortly therafter, then stop using it and the pain returns, and so on repeatably and it does not have pain reduction effects per se, so it must be due to antiinflammatory effects. r

Steve Lord

No one is trying to sell anything. It sounds crazy and I don't meet the criteria. I am on Tysabri. I don't have anything to loose by getting organic cotton and sticking it in one ear.

I am going to do it, I have tried a lot worse, more dangerous.. invasive and expensive.
Why don't you all just stick the cotton in your ear!

I dont want to get banned, so i will choose my words carefully: anyone with even a basic understanding of human physiology would immediately know that a hand position would have absolutely zero effect on a complex auto immune disease. I know that this forum is an open discussion group of sorts, but I find it hard to abide any advice given which is so clearly "tin foil hat" in its absurdity. People come here looking for real answers which are backed up by science, and it's sad to think that a vulnerable person might read this and believe it... Your hippy theories have no foundation in the physical laws which govern the human body, and indeed the entire universe we live in.

So please, i beg you, Put the dreamcatcher down, relax back into the hemp chair, pour a glass of thistle juice, and pick up a medical journal, I guarantee it will be of interest.

Steve,

Please!!!!

Harry

Steve,
Do you think endorphins could have something to do with the improvements you feel after a walk through beautiful scenery?
general-discussion-f1/topic339.html

Also, could your cotton ball technique actually be a modified form of acupressure. Does the ball massage point zero? http://www.medicalacupuncture.com/aama_ ... /zero.html

Anonymoose, thank you.

You're a classy, smart lady.

This week, we lost a TiMS' member to suicide.

Please think about that before posting any mean-spirited comments.

hi steve, will be getting back with answers to questions asked. not ignoring you but been busy.

in the meantime:IF THERE IS ANYONE READING THIS THAT HAS ANY SCIENTIFIC PUBLISHED PAPER WORK THAT HAS PROVEN 100 PER CENT CAUSE AND "CURE" FOR 100 PER CENT OF US---PLEASE PLEASE LET ME KNOW!

and, i promise that if and when i find anything that cures me no matter how crazy or unthought of---i'll shout it from the roof tops. those that want to try it fine and dandy. those that don't, that would be their choice.

ah evidence vs hyperbole, the old feud ... dial it back a notch pls folks

steve you might do well to make an effort to find some peer reviewed science backing up one or more components of your approach.

others, you've stated your objections - noted. remember that bit in the rules about taking ongoing differences of opinion off the public table.

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my approach: no meds so far - just balanced whole foods (partial 'paleo', much less outright elimination), science, supplements, & bloodwork
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