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Could no meat, no dairy and meditation every day be the key

Postby MSUK » Mon Jul 01, 2013 12:55 am

Could no meat, no dairy and meditation every day be the key to conquering MS

Every year, more than 2,500 Britons are told they have multiple sclerosis. If they ask what it means, they’re likely to be given the textbook definition: it’s a progressively disabling, incurable, neurological illness.

They’ll be told that pain, disability and a range of distressing symptoms are in their future. How bad it gets, how quickly it happens it’s not possible to predict. But there’s not a lot they can do, except take the drugs available............ Read More - http://www.ms-uk.org/index.cfm/dietresearch
MS-UK - http://www.ms-uk.org/
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Re: Could no meat, no dairy and meditation every day be the

Postby JeanDeEau » Mon Jul 01, 2013 3:05 am

That sure is an interesting link.
Of course, the first item (like in the subject line her) is just a commercial for the George Jelinek lecture in Brighton UK ($80 to get in).
The UK MSSociety forum had a post that asked "who was going", and several people that was advertising as well.
Hey, I should try this
Buy my diet book. Only $20! there is nothing new inside, but it wil help my financial health.
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Re: Could no meat, no dairy and meditation every day be the

Postby erinc14 » Mon Jul 01, 2013 7:30 am

I read when I first had ms (1994) that there was less disabling conditions in ms during WW2 because meat was scarce .
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Postby cheerleader » Mon Jul 01, 2013 10:13 am

Dr. Jelinek's program is available, online. Yes, you can spend money to go to his lectures, or buy his books----but it's really excellent advice, and it's not necessary to spend $ to follow it. http://www.overcomingmultiplesclerosis.org

- Follow a diet that is meat/poultry and dairy-free. Eat only wholefoods (no processed/ready-made foods) so your diet is low in saturated fat and rich in seafood, vegetables, fruits, nuts, legumes, seeds, pulses and grains.
- Take omega-3 fatty acid supplements. Start the diet by taking 20ml a day of standard-strength fish oil and some flaxseed oil on your food.
- Gradually replace the fish oil with flaxseed oil over nine months. On days when oily fish is eaten, omit fish oil supplement.
- After nine months you should be taking 20 to 40ml of flaxseed oil every day.
- Optional. Take B group vitamins or B12 supplement if needed.
- Expose as much of your body as possible to sunlight for 15 minutes daily, three to five times a week to gain Vitamin D, deficiency of which is linked to development of MS.
- Take Vitamin D3 supplement of at least 5,000IU daily.
- Meditate for 30 minutes every day.
- Do 20 to 30 minutes of exercise that elevates the heart rate, about five times a week, preferably outdoors.
- Walking, running and swimming are good examples of this type of exercise.


All of these measures affect the endothelium---our largest secreting organ. I didn't know of Dr. Jelinek's work when I put together the endothelial health program, but our programs are actually very similar. (I'm not as specific on no meat or omega 3/flaxseed oil, and I recommend working with your GP to get vitamin D levels and B12 levels optimum.) These lifestyle/nutritional changes promote vasodilation, reduce hypercoagulation and inflammation, and increase cerebral bloodflow and perfusion via NO.
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http://www.ccsvi.org/index.php/helping- ... ial-health

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Postby lyndacarol » Mon Jul 01, 2013 4:53 pm

erinc14 wrote:I read when I first had ms (1994) that there was less disabling conditions in ms during WW2 because meat was scarce .

I have read it was because bread (e.g., wheat products) was scarce.
My hypothesis: excess insulin (hyperinsulinemia) plays a major role in MS, as developed in my initial post: http://www.thisisms.com/forum/general-discussion-f1/topic1878.html "Insulin – Could This Be the Key?"
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Postby Jimpsull » Tue Jul 02, 2013 9:03 am

Professor Swank’s Low Saturated Fat Study
Beginning in 1949, he enrolled 150 MS patients and commenced them on his MS diet, a very low saturated fat diet.3 He followed them with meticulous examination and recording of their dietary fat consumption for 34 years. There was no control group who had normal diets, however many of the patients were unable to stick to the MS diet, allowing comparison between those that did and those that did not. There are also data on relapse rates in MS from many other studies. The study was supported by grants from the MS Society of Canada, the Montreal Neurological Institute, the Department of Health and Welfare of Canada, the MS Society of Portland and other grants. This was a major piece of medical research.

A number of papers resulted from this study, one in one of the world’s premier medical journals, the Lancet in 1990,3 and another in Nutrition in 1991.4 The results provide enormous hope to people with MS.

The paper in the Lancet reported results for 144 patients. Of these, 72 patients were able to stick to the MS diet (good dieters), that is they consumed less than 20g/day of saturated fat. The other 72 could not keep fat consumption below 20g/day. The patients’ neurological disability was graded using a neurological disability scale devised by Swank, which went from 0 (essentially unimpaired) to 6 (deceased). Point 4 on the scale represented wheelchair needed, and point 5 confined to bed and chair. Swank’s scale essentially used 2 points on Kurtzke’s EDSS scale to every 1 point on his.

The results were dramatic. Regardless of level of disability at entry to the trial, good dieters did not deteriorate significantly. Good dieters at level 1 on entry had an average final grade of 1.9 34 years later. Good dieters at level 2 had a final level of 3.6, and those at level 3 or worse a final level of 4. The results were best for those who started with minimum disability, with 95 per cent surviving and still physically active 34 years later, excluding those who died from non-MS diseases. The benefits occurred in all three groups, and even people with significant disability were shown to markedly slow the progression of the disease if they could stick to the MS diet. The picture for poor dieters was terrible, in line with results from other series of MS patients whose conditions have been monitored over time. Poor dieters with minimum disability at entry ended with average grade of 5.3, that is wheelchair and bed bound. Those with moderate disability ended up at 5.3 also, and those with severe disability at 5.6. Only 7 per cent of patients who did not stick to the MS diet remained active. The death rate amongst the poor dieters was extremely high. 58 of the 72 were dead by 34 years, 45 from MS-related causes. The statistics were very strong. The p values were generally of the order of p<0.0001 to <0.0005 for most of the differences between good and poor dieters. That is, the difference was extremely unlikely to have occurred by chance.

Swank noted that patients who adhered to the diet for MS actually consumed 16g of saturated fat per day on average, whereas those who did not adhere to the diet for MS consumed 38g/day. Even for the ‘poor dieters’ this was a marked reduction from the average 125g/day they were consuming prior to the study. It reinforces the message that the MS diet is an all or nothing issue. Just lowering saturated fat consumption, even by two thirds as the poor dieters did, is not enough to make a difference to the progression of the disease. Saturated fat must really be completely avoided if possible.
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Re: Could no meat, no dairy and meditation every day be the

Postby jimmylegs » Tue Jul 02, 2013 10:21 am

you need some saturated fat. i'll see if i can find the earlier discussion along those lines
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Re: Could no meat, no dairy and meditation every day be the

Postby cheerleader » Tue Jul 02, 2013 10:39 am

Hi JL--
agree. Saturated fats are not the "enemy." I think the main take away from Swank, Jelinek, Wahls is not so much about measuring saturated fats, but eating more fresh fruits and vegetables, less processed foods, no trans fats and limiting simple carbohydrates and glucose. A whole food diet, mostly plants, with limited animal proteins and higher omega 3 oil seems to help most pwMS. And, not coincidently, most human beings, too.

Our family eats saturated fats in the form of avocados and coconuts but not red meat or dairy....Terry Wahls recommends organ meat and grass fed beef. Honestly, I think that whichever diet plan works for the individual is what is best. Getting rid of processed food and eating lots more produce is a great first step. Getting rid of simple carbs-- cakes, cookies, ice cream, chips, and junk food and replacing it with nutrient rich food is the best place to start....most people get hung up on the details and miss the larger point. Real food is best. If it can live in your cupboard for a year without refrigeration, it's not good for the body :)
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Re: Could no meat, no dairy and meditation every day be the

Postby blossom » Tue Jul 02, 2013 10:45 am

erinc14 wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ1pFSnU9Pc



now, that's some "real" food for thought. the u-tube titled "the girl who silenced the world" that pops up after watching the above is put that only a brain dead world would ignore.

along with doing away with meat the farming has to get away from all the chemicals used on our fruits and veg. etc. that is one of the great demons. --- i eat very little meat but 0 would be best.
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Re: Could no meat, no dairy and meditation every day be the

Postby jimmylegs » Tue Jul 02, 2013 11:40 am

^5 cheer :)

we need wholesome food and diets that provide the right distribution of nutrients and fats.

I only partially agree with the 'best bet' diet recommendations, but these are among the ones I am definitely on board with:
Reduce
A.Foods that contain saturated fat. Eat red meat (lean cuts) only once a week.
IncreaseA.Eat skinless chicken breast, game meat and fish for protein content. Fish such as salmon and mackerel also contain omega 3 polyunsaturated fat, which is very beneficial.

if 'reduce' is good, it doesn't follow that 'eliminate' is better...when people take recommendations to extremes it's asking for trouble.. spoken as an ex vegan paying the price!

O.T. question cheer, what do you eat to ensure adequate daily intake of zinc? you'd have to eat a cup of pumpkin seeds or equivalent, to match 4 oz of venison or veal liver (veal sadface!) for mgs of zinc, and the bioavailability of a plant source is not necessarily up there.
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Re: Could no meat, no dairy and meditation every day be the

Postby cheerleader » Tue Jul 02, 2013 12:53 pm

jimmylegs wrote:^5 cheer :)
O.T. question cheer, what do you eat to ensure adequate daily intake of zinc? you'd have to eat a cup of pumpkin seeds or equivalent, to match 4 oz of venison or veal liver (veal sadface!) for mgs of zinc, and the bioavailability of a plant source is not necessarily up there.


We eat lamb, pork, chicken, salmon and lots o' sunflower seeds and nuts...plus Jeff takes a calcium/mag/zinc supp. Not fans of shellfish or liver (ugh.) Jeff does better with eating meat, so he just got rid of beef and dairy and fatty stuff. But yup, everyone is different. Swank comes closest to what Jeff does. Getting rid of cheese, mayo, dairy was the hardest thing for him---but he feels SO much better and his blood levels are really good now, so that's been his barometer.
and to Blossom...agree, pesticides and hormones in our food is a huge problem. We are fortunate enough to be able to have access to local grown and organic produce and meat, but we know that's not a reality for most.
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Postby jimmylegs » Tue Jul 02, 2013 1:00 pm

ah ha ok then! sounds excellent :D
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