MS: The Rigidity Disease

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MS: The Rigidity Disease

Postby vesta » Mon Jul 08, 2013 7:43 am

Multiple Sclerosis : The Rigidity Disease
Recently I was treated by an outstanding Osteopath. He is the official Osteopath
for a championship French sports team and is accustomed to putting dislocated
muscles and bones back into place. When I arrived I could barely walk and
wondered if my nervous system was failing me. No, upon leaving my legs moved
freely, I was liberated. And think of it this way. The muscles were so
tightly compressed around my pelvic region that they literally prevented my legs
from moving. Like a horror film, I could imagine my entire musculature
shrinking, compressing my skeleton to the point I was becoming immobilized. He
said there was so much tension built into the shoulder/neck/head area that the
muscles were compressing all circulation from the head like a vise. So if I
think of what these muscles are doing to fluid circulation through my neck,
head, and spine I can well imagine a blood reflux injury to the central
nervous system - a good definition of MS.

I think there is a MS personality which creates this exreme body tension problem. This may anger some, but keep in mind I am describing myself as much as anyone. Also, rigidity describes not only the patient but also her therapist/Doctor. That is why it is so difficult to get experts to "move" away from their established position and see the disease differently. They are PARALYZED. Indeed, as MS patients become more flexible and move away from orthodoxy, they may become less "sick" than their Doctors. If your Neurologist has a hysterical fit at the mention of CCSVI, consider his to be a neurotic, "sick" reaction. Let's look at this.,

I believe MS patients and their Doctors/Therapists struggle under the shadow of the Mythical God Saturn. What does he represent?
Authority. Career. Profession. Duty. Recognition. Rules. Patriarchy. Doctor. Science.
Hierarchy. Rank. Status. Conformity. Responsibilty. Organization. Order. Orthodoxy
Control. Constriction. Rigidity. Inflexible. Repression. Limitation. Depression. Negativity. Critical. Caution. Judgement. Hardship. Security. Safety.
Structure. Skeleton. Bones. Teeth.
Falls. Failure (Success) Fear.
Wisdom. Old Age. Time.
Cold. Crystallization.

Now, remember, I’m talking about myself. On the Thisisms.com site a newly diagnosed member asked what she should do, I sent off my “After Diagnosis” blog. Her response (I can’t find the exact quote) “Yikes, that’s too much for me and said with such authority!”. I frightened her off. In fact, everyone tends to write with authority, for one it’s zinc and magnesium (what about the rest? Vits B, C, D, E, minerals calcium etc) For another a long recommendation for insulin testing. Newbies tend to get hit with an overwhelming deluge of suggestions (and with such AUTHORITY) that understandably they might prefer to retreat and just go for the safety of the established authority, their Doctor. To get a good look at MS Authority, look at the You Tube Video of Dr. Terry Wahls “Minding Your Mitochondria”, she has it in spades. I’m not the only one who finds her “I am the one and only true authority” tone irritating even though I find her video very instructive. (I don’t altogether agree with her diet – the meat part especially– and she doesn’t there say that she stimulates her blood circulation through electrical stimulation of her back muscles. That’s my authority protesting. Details here under Paleo-Macro diet.) You often hear this same deep, imposing tone of authority in MS patient videos.
Fear. Obviously MS triggers fear, and the fear exacerbates the MS. For Safety one seeks the shelter of the Patriarch, the high status Neurologist. And one might even gain in status by entering into the restricted circle of MS patients who undergo all the high priced examinations – MRI, Spinal Tap, etc. and get prescribed the high priced drugs. Everyone hopes to be THE ONE to unlock the enigma of MS and find the cure. One gains status by participating in the Scientific project (though most would agree this is a meager compensation for having a debilitating disease.)
MS patients are known to be high powered, ambitious people. Consumed by what I call “Success Stress”, in search of status, rank, recognition. Some conform to the established treatment protocol. Others resist. But they are all subject to the rigidity of the MS model presumably dictated by Science, if only in having to deal with Neurologists who refuse to consider alternative therapies as being Unscientific.
Unfortunately Medical Science is too deformed by Money and Vested interests. The FDA disgraced itself by overriding their own scientists to OK the neurotoxin Aspartame and they continue to refuse pulling it from the USA market. One has reason to believe that Big Pharma pressured the FDA to restrict Angioplasty treatment for MS patients. Would some curious Scientist set up a study to see if a simple back massage would stop an MS attack? Or do a statistical study of MS women to see if there is a high incidence of menstrual cramp histories? Everyone is looking for the Big Buck breakthrough. And “Science” has already determined that beta interferon doesn’t work. So why keep prescribing it?

RIGIDITY: I believe that childhood stress may actually deform the vascular system eventually leading to the blood reflux in CCSVI. And even if that deformity doesn’t exist, a lifetime of stress leads to muscle contraction, and skeletal rigidity which in turn may impact the vascular system and fluid circulation through the brain and spinal cord. Thus specialists in bones, skeletons, and teeth may be called on to treat this rigidity in order to overcome it – Osteopaths (Europe), Chiropractors, Dentists (known as Saturn professions.) Massage therapists may be as effective (unless there is a real skeletal deformity) even though they suffer from a lack of status which tends to undermine their position. What if MS could be best treated by a Masseuse rather than a Neurologist? Think of the status comedown. Better stick with orthodoxy.
How does this fit me?
I have always suffered from extreme muscle tension. Rigidity. Crystallization. Subject to Falls. Subject to the imperative to succeed. Childhood fear of authority. However, I resist authority – which increases the body tension. At the same time I’ve been open to unorthodox healing modalities. I want my voice to be heard, my authority recognized. May not happen, but the question arises. And in some ways I consider myself a healer, if only as a hidden voice for change.
If one feels that Saturn doesn’t define one’s character, chances are good it defines a childhood authority figure against whom one developed in opposition.
A good quote from the great historian Eugen Weber writing about why so many Doctors in 1930’s France adhered to the reactionary Royalist political faction l’Action Francaise.
“The authoritarian temperament is a professional deformation in Medicine.”
(This can be said for most Healing therapists.)
My general advice. Seek Flexibility. Take confidence in your own ability to heal, find your own authority. Once I heard about Dr Zamboni and CCSVI I asked for a neck, upper back massage to bring blood out of the brain and thus stopped “attacks”. I then tried out TENS acupressure with unexpected success. It may be something as simple as an occasional massage will do wonders. Exercise and seek suppleness – blood circulation. It’s frustrating to me that so many remain imprisoned in old rigid concepts. But I believe the ice of orthodoxy is slowly melting even though established vested interests don’t want to let go.
And back to the idea of sickness. Classical Homeopaths believe that mental illness is more serious than physical illness, that when a psychotic person “heals” he falls ill with Eczema (for example) or another physical ailment. I like to point this out to arrogant people who suggest that psychological problems must be at the origin of my MS. This usually shuts them up. (Well, this may be true in the limited sense that stress triggers severe body/muscle tension.)
I believe that Neurologists are not doing their job. That will be my next post, what Neurologists should be doing. If one’s Neurologist shuts down at mention of CCSVI, for instance, he has a rigidity problem. He in fact may be “sicker” than you (if that is any consolation.) Unfortunately we are all caught in an iron clad rigid web of orthodoxy, conformity, hierarchy, which vested interests play on to maintain their privileges (drug companies, neurologists, medical equipment companies and an entire industry surrounding MS diagnosis and treatment.) They use Fear to keep everyone in line, fear of paralysis for the MS person, fear of loss of status and recognition for others (and also the MS person.)
The entire planet is in the throes of Revolt against established authority. Why not the MS Community?

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Re: MS: The Rigidity Disease

Postby erinc14 » Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:29 am

interesting !
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Re: MS: The Rigidity Disease

Postby jimmylegs » Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:33 am

for one it’s zinc and magnesium (what about the rest? Vits B, C, D, E, minerals calcium etc)
they're all listed in the link in my signature.

i work on not overwhelming newbies with too much at once and pick the 'low hanging fruit' that seems to be the best match for incoming set of complaints. the fact that it's so often zinc and magnesium is telling don't you think? and the excellent part is, they affect other nutrients that are so relevant to the ms process. so you fix one, and get myriad related benefits.

anyway there's so much to know associated with either zinc or magnesium in their own right, trying to convey it all for every nutrient.. wow. that's why i originally tuned out half the klenner protocol - and that doesn't even go into a fraction of the detail we can access a few decades later.

rigidity would at least in part correlate to the low magnesium status in ms patients. which is easily exacerbated by stress. I've just recently been into the literature on the vascular impacts of magnesium deficit, specific to the basic rigidity if you will of the veins in the setting of restenosis after balloon venoplasty. will post a link to the science shortly.
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Re: MS: The Rigidity Disease

Postby jimmylegs » Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:49 am

one post listing four studies on magnesium status links to vascular tone and restenosis:
chronic-cerebrospinal-venous-insufficiency-ccsvi-f40/topic22567.html#p211917
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there's not much that can be done to stop a jugular valve from recoiling if it wants to recoil.

we had some chats about magnesium a couple years ago, may be of interest:
chronic-cerebrospinal-venous-insufficiency-ccsvi-f40/topic18270.html#p179362

kick-off abstract: Effect of magnesium on restenosis after percutaneous transluminal coronary angioplasty: a clinical and angiographic evaluation in a randomized patient population
A pilot study

some other titles I just found : http://scholar.google.ca/scholar?hl=en& ... 5&as_sdtp= :

Magnesium and Vascular Tone and Reactivity
http://www.karger.com/Article/Abstract/158148

Antagonistic modulatory roles of magnesium and calcium on release of endothelium-derived relaxing factor and smooth muscle tone.
http://circres.ahajournals.org/content/ ... 5.full.pdf

Withdrawal of magnesium causes vasospasm while elevated magnesium produces relaxation of tone in cerebral arteries
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 4080901688

I think all of this would have something to do with the tendency of a vein to recoil. my 2c.


another (re)post on assorted nutrients for vascular health (5 research study titles):
chronic-cerebrospinal-venous-insufficiency-ccsvi-f40/topic22567.html#p211904
this 2011 post includes research titles examining nutrition for vascular health, each one a key nutrient known to be low in ms: post168401.html#p16841
many nutrients seen to be low in ms patients, are important for vascular health.

"Galvanising forces in vascular health and disease: is dietary zinc protective? "

"Magnesium and vascular tone and reactivity"

"The Vitamin D Epidemic and its Health Consequences..There is mounting scientific evidence that implicates vitamin D deficiency with an increased risk of type I diabetes, multiple sclerosis, rheumatoid arthritis, hypertension, cardiovascular heart disease, and many common deadly cancers."

"C-reactive protein, dietary n-3 fatty acids, and the extent of coronary artery disease"

"Importance of both folic acid and vitamin B12 in reduction of risk of vascular disease"

more evidence that diet and lifestyle intervention that are relevant to ms, also make sense where vascular health is concerned.
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Re: MS: The Rigidity Disease

Postby blossom » Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:50 am

vesta, your thoughts and theories are not as far detched as some may view them. we all so different in our sameness. your posts give much food for thought. childhood stress, rigity. although i was outgoing and i'd say had my successes i was a jaw clencher and rigid inside that was not seen by others and i worked to not let it be seen as i felt it would be taken as a weakness and unfortunatly in this world the meak and the weak can be pounded with no mercy whether it be personality or physical.
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Re: MS: The Rigidity Disease

Postby jimmylegs » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:38 pm

blossom i used to be stressed and tense inside too, right down to the clenching lol - SO nice not to deal with it any longer and to understand what it really feels like to be relaxed.

the evidence at physio points to my having a bit more work to do re stores in muscle tissue. 30-40% of the body's magnesium content is located in muscle. even though i have had the experience of too much magnesium intake and associated muscle weakness, i don't think my background muscle magnesium content is quite there yet. could be something going on with potassium too, given that my mag levels were so low for so long. all interesting stuff.

Tissue distribution and functions of magnesium
http://www.fao.org/docrep/004/y2809e/y2809e0k.htm
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Re: MS: The Rigidity Disease

Postby lyndacarol » Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:36 pm

vesta wrote:For another a long recommendation for insulin testing. Newbies tend to get hit with an overwhelming deluge of suggestions (and with such AUTHORITY) that understandably they might prefer to retreat and just go for the safety of the established authority, their Doctor.

I have offered my recommendation for the fasting blood insulin test to newbies seeking the opinions of people diagnosed with MS – different avenues to investigate. I have claimed no authority or medical background, no proven theory; I have shared my suspicions of my own situation – my hypothesis. I apologize if I have given any other impression. I encourage people to work with their doctors and check out any possibilities for the basis of their symptoms. There is currently no scientifically accepted cause for MS; we are all searching; any or all of us may stumble on the part of the answer.
My hypothesis: excess insulin (hyperinsulinemia) plays a major role in MS, as developed in my initial post: http://www.thisisms.com/forum/general-discussion-f1/topic1878.html "Insulin – Could This Be the Key?"
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Re: MS: The Rigidity Disease

Postby HappyPoet » Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:15 pm

lyndacarol, I wish we had more hypotheses to consider, and I appreciate you sharing yours with us. I find it's not hard to remember the words "fasting blood insulin test" (but have written them down in my wallet, just in case) and plan to ask for--demand, if need be--the test at my next GP appointment.

I've been working my way down a list of hypotheses and theories that has included, among others, DMDs, chemotherapies, CCSVI, AO chiro, chiro, Lyme testing, inclined bed therapy, acupuncture, supplements, and marijuana--the only ones that haven't helped me are the DMDs and chemotherapies. :roll:
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Re: MS: The Rigidity Disease

Postby standingtall » Tue Jul 09, 2013 1:25 am

Vesta, very interesting post. Thank you for sharing your thoughts once again. I can relate to most of your thoughts on rigidity.
My massage appointment is scheduled for today at 2p.m........and I have often wondered if I could afford to have massage every day what my symptoms may be like? If my insurance would pay for it, I would have massage every day. Cost of daily massage is way less than any of the current DMD's, but then that would cut into profits wouldn't it........There I go again.............

Lyndacarol and Jimmy, I also thank both of you for your insights and thoughts on the issues you champion. I do not believe Vesta's post was meant as an attack, or a negative toward your line of thought but rather as an example of the MS world in general. That's what I got out of it. But thanks goes out to both of you from me, on searching out many relationships between insulin, blood nutrient levels and MS. Both have helped me.
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Re: MS: The Rigidity Disease

Postby erinc14 » Tue Jul 09, 2013 7:15 am

I heard about a new book entitled The Science and Politics of Fear .

just the title says it all.
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Re: MS: The Rigidity Disease

Postby vesta » Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:01 am

Thanks all for your comments. I will respond next week, I am currently overwhelmed by summer visitors. As standingtall commented, my remarks were certainly not meant as an attack on Lyndacarol and jimmylegs and we can all appreciate their work. More later.
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Re: MS: The Rigidity Disease

Postby vesta » Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:03 am

Greetings. erinc14 - The Science and Politics of Fear, great title. Blossom, since your MS is « skeletal » it requires a Saturn profession for treatment. Jimmylegs and lyndacarol, you both provide great info, but if one gives a quick look at the advice, insulin issues and zinc and magnesium, that isn’t enough. Jimmylegs I really think you should give your nutritional supplement advice up front and then emphasize the importance of zinc and magnesium with links. At least for “newbies”. Maybe that’s what I should do myself. Please don't take offense.
I believe that Saturn’s “children” were “controlled” more than “nurtured”. Well, that is an issue with me. In consequence I have an issue with taking care of myself. I don’t think I’m alone. Jimmylegs mentions the need to take the initiative and not depend on one’s Doctor to “fix” it. Nutritional therapy, counting out supplements, making raw vegetable juice become “rituals” in healing by learning to take the time for self care.
At first one might be looking for a "quick fix." Then it slowly sinks in that there isn't one, or at least an effective one. The long process of finding solutions is itself Healing (nurturing). Thanks all for the input.

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Re: MS: The Rigidity Disease

Postby jimmylegs » Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:15 am

your input is noted vesta, no offense taken. it's an approach that has evolved over a long time period. i have basically learned not to drag the entire trough around after the horses. imho the info is there for the people who want it. perhaps to split the difference i could follow up on cheer's earlier suggestion: general-discussion-f1/topic6758.html#p51853
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