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Patients with MS may suffer a high risk of developing cancer

Postby MSUK » Thu Jan 16, 2014 3:09 am

Patients with MS may suffer a high risk of developing cancer - study

The study reported in the European Journal of Neurology claims that people suffering from multiple sclerosis, an autoimmune disease affecting nerves in brain and spinal cord, have a higher risk of developing cancer, especially breast cancer.

Studies conducted earlier claimed that people with autoimmune disease may suffer from a greater risk of developing cancer but most of the studies detected no association between multiple sclerosis (MS) and cancer. Since this latest finding contradicts the previous findings, researchers say that additional research is required to determine whether or not there is a link between the disease and cancer...... Read More - http://www.ms-uk.org/cancer
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Re: Patients with MS may suffer a high risk of developing ca

Postby NHE » Thu Jan 16, 2014 6:15 am

It's amazing that there's no mention of the risk factors associated with extended use of immune suppressive drugs used to potentially treat MS. What seems obvious is to compare MS patients on DMDs to MS patients not on DMDs.
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Postby want2bike » Thu Jan 16, 2014 6:59 am

That's what happens when you destroy your immune system with the drugs. You need to keep the immune system strong. The immune system is the doctor within each of us. When you take the immune suppressing drugs it is not a surprise that you get cancer. Cancer is not so bad when you get the facts. Lots of cures for cancer if you haven't destroyed your immune system. Your health is dependent on what you believe. My sister went to the doctor and had a mammogram. The did a biopsy and determined it was cancer. She didn't want to let them do anymore cutting on her so she started Dr. Fuhrman's diet which is basically vegan. She ask me how she could tell if it was working. I told her when the lump was gone. She told me she couldn't feel a lump. My question is how did she know she even had cancer. You hear about the doctor who was treating patients for cancer who didn't have cancer? These jokers are just in it for the money. They care nothing about your health. When you get the facts disease will not scare you anymore. If you are worried about cancer get you some bitter apricot seeds. I take 6 a day just as a precaution. My sister been taking them and they must be working. After two years she has no problem with the breast cancer the doctor said she had. My mother got a lesion on her upper lip. The doctor did a biopsy and told her to come back for more cutting. She started taking the apricot seed and made a paste of baking soda for the lesion. It has gone away and there is no sign of cancer. The apricot seeds must have worked or the doctor lied to her and she never had cancer. We can get better but we have to stop listening to the criminals running the medical system.


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Re: Patients with MS may suffer a high risk of developing ca

Postby NHE » Thu Jan 16, 2014 7:59 am

want2bike wrote:That's what happens when you destroy your immune system with the drugs. You need to keep the immune system strong. The immune system is the doctor within each of us. When you take the immune suppressing drugs it is not a surprise that you get cancer. Cancer is not so bad when you get the facts. Lots of cures for cancer if you haven't destroyed your immune system. Your health is dependent on what you believe. My sister went to the doctor and had a mammogram. The did a biopsy and determined it was cancer. She didn't want to let them do anymore cutting on her so she started Dr. Fuhrman's diet which is basically vegan. She ask me how she could tell if it was working. I told her when the lump was gone. She told me she couldn't feel a lump.

Could she feel a lump before starting the diet? Many tumors can be detected by advanced imaging before a palpable lump can be detected. Just because she can't feel a lump doesn't mean she doesn't have cancer. In addition, solid mass tumors can break apart once they begin to metastasize.

want2bike wrote:My question is how did she know she even had cancer. You hear about the doctor who was treating patients for cancer who didn't have cancer? These jokers are just in it for the money. They care nothing about your health. When you get the facts disease will not scare you anymore. If you are worried about cancer get you some bitter apricot seeds. I take 6 a day just as a precaution. My sister been taking them and they must be working. After two years she has no problem with the breast cancer the doctor said she had. My mother got a lesion on her upper lip. The doctor did a biopsy and told her to come back for more cutting. She started taking the apricot seed and made a paste of baking soda for the lesion. It has gone away and there is no sign of cancer. The apricot seeds must have worked or the doctor lied to her and she never had cancer. We can get better but we have to stop listening to the criminals running the medical system.


It's irresponsible to cite apricot seeds containing amygdalin as a treatment for cancer.

Cyanide poisoning caused by ingestion of apricot seeds.
Ann Trop Paediatr. 2010;30(1):39-43.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20196932

From the American Cancer Society
http://www.cancer.org/Treatment/Treatme ... t/laetrile

From the National Cancer Institute
http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/ ... ient/page2
NCI wrote:In 1982, a phase II study with 175 patients looked at which types of cancer might benefit from treatment with amygdalin. Most of the patients in this study had breast, colon, or lung cancer. Amygdalin was given by injection for 21 days, followed by oral maintenance therapy using doses and procedures similar to those in the phase I study. Vitamins and pancreatic enzymes were also given as part of a metabolic therapy program that also included dietary changes. One stomach cancer patient showed a decrease in tumor size, which was maintained for 10 weeks while the patient was on amygdalin therapy. In about half of the patients, cancer had grown at the end of the treatment. Cancer had grown in all patients 7 months after completing treatment. Some patients reported an improvement in their ability to work or do other activities, and other patients said their symptoms improved. These improvements, however, did not last after treatment ended.


Laetrile treatment for cancer.
Cochrane Database Syst Rev. 2011 Nov 9;(11):CD005476.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22071824
The claims that laetrile or amygdalin have beneficial effects for cancer patients are not currently supported by sound clinical data. There is a considerable risk of serious adverse effects from cyanide poisoning after laetrile or amygdalin, especially after oral ingestion. The risk-benefit balance of laetrile or amygdalin as a treatment for cancer is therefore unambiguously negative.
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Re: Patients with MS may suffer a high risk of developing ca

Postby Leonard » Thu Jan 16, 2014 8:45 am

or a lower risk on cancer as these studies show:

http://www.oncologypractice.com/oncolog ... 27a40.html
The study included 6,820 MS patients who visited a British Columbia MS clinic in 1980-2004. Most had never been exposed to an immunomodulatory therapy.
.. meaning MS patients had a highly significant overall 14% reduction in the risk of being diagnosed with cancer. The risk reduction was particularly striking for colorectal cancer: Patients with MS were 44% less likely than controls to be diagnosed with this malignancy.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/247220.php

it would not surprise me - as said before in above posting - that immuno modulating therapy is an issue here that increases cancer risk.
if you surpress the immune system or deny the immune system access to your vessel walls, you may expect problems.

it occurs to me that people don't think anymore.
this whole MS research seems more and more like a big chaotic trail where everybody just throws up his things without even thinking.
and no one seems to be able or willing to take control.
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Re: Patients with MS may suffer a high risk of developing ca

Postby Kronk » Thu Jan 16, 2014 10:54 am

Leonard wrote:it occurs to me that people don't think anymore.
this whole MS research seems more and more like a big chaotic trail where everybody just throws up his things without even thinking.
and no one seems to be able or willing to take control.


Excellent point, and I am sure much of it stems from fear and frustration. When first diagnosed I dropped $400 at the health food store on supplements. I was scared willing to believe any random post or research article about something that showed hope. I still take a ridiculous amount of supplements but all show factual research that backs up the efficacy, and cost about the same as a cup of coffee daily. I am much more discerning when it comes to information especially on the internet. Too many individuals like Want2Bike who does not have MS yet posts “cure” propaganda are dangerous to the newly diagnosed. To claim MS meds don’t work is lunacy. They have side effects like any medication, vitamin, or even some foods but they do reduce relapse rates and some show positive long term effect on disease course.

I prefer not to take an immune suppressant to treat MS as I believe that is treating the symptoms not the root issue. If you have a kitchen fire do you deal with the smoke or the flames? I do take Copaxone as it can act as a decoy for the immune system and it may “re-educate” white blood cells as it has a makeup similar to myelin.

The link between cancer and MS is interesting… Insulin Growth Factor (IGF-1) is known to be a major factor in cancer as it is essentially a steroid that promotes cell growth and a tumor is basically growth that is unmanaged. It also is responsible for the growth of nerves and directly involved in re-myelination. IGF-1 is high in cancer patients and low in MS patients. Other hormones such as testosterone, estrogen, and peptides such as endorphins are linked to IGF-1 and all have been shown to be out of balance in MS patients. I believe that whatever the onset of MS, the treatment of it must pay attention to immune modulating hormones. Exercise, sleep, diet, and stress management are essential in balancing hormones.

IGF-1 is a pleiotropic peptide that has been shown to promote oligodendrocyte maturation and survival, as well as myelin regeneration in the CNS. This peptide also increases mRNA synthesis for myelin basic protein and proteolipid protein at lesion sites in animal models. Additionally, IGF-1 has shown to regulate T-cells and decreases T-cell crossing through the blood brain barrier into the CNS.[35]
Carro et al.[36] concluded that a one-hour treadmill training session at a rate of 17 m/minute induced IGF-1 synthesis in the liver and IGF-1 uptake in brain structures in healthy rats. An additional study by Carro et al.[37] administered subcutaneous IGF-1 blocking antibody to healthy rats completing treadmill training 60 minutes per day for 5 weeks at a rate of 17 m/min. Following the training program the neuroprotective effects of exercise diminished significantly, implying exercise supports brain health and IGF-1 plays an important role in the neuroprotective process.


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Re: Patients with MS may suffer a high risk of developing ca

Postby lyndacarol » Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:17 am

Leonard wrote:or a lower risk on cancer as these studies show:

http://www.oncologypractice.com/oncolog ... 27a40.html
The study included 6,820 MS patients who visited a British Columbia MS clinic in 1980-2004. Most had never been exposed to an immunomodulatory therapy.
.. meaning MS patients had a highly significant overall 14% reduction in the risk of being diagnosed with cancer. The risk reduction was particularly striking for colorectal cancer: Patients with MS were 44% less likely than controls to be diagnosed with this malignancy.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/247220.php

it would not surprise me - as said before in above posting - that immuno modulating therapy is an issue here that increases cancer risk.
if you surpress the immune system or deny the immune system access to your vessel walls, you may expect problems.

it occurs to me that people don't think anymore.
this whole MS research seems more and more like a big chaotic trail where everybody just throws up his things without even thinking.
and no one seems to be able or willing to take control.


The "lower risk" association is more attractive to me. (Thanks for finding these articles, Leonard.) If one looks long enough it seems there are studies to support either side – MS/higher risk of cancer, MS/lower risk of cancer.

In section 7 (ketogenic diet video with Dr. Thomas Seyfried) of the Mercola newsletter, I seem to recall the statement that there was a lower cancer prevalence in people with Alzheimer's.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/artic ... =385547203

According to some researchers, insulin and the Insulin-Degrading Enzyme (IDE) play a role in Alzheimer's. I suspect a role in MS, also. If the connection in one disease has been proven, it may be likely there is the same connection in the other: lower cancer risk.
My hypothesis: excess insulin (hyperinsulinemia) plays a major role in MS, as developed in my initial post: http://www.thisisms.com/forum/general-discussion-f1/topic1878.html "Insulin – Could This Be the Key?"
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Re: Patients with MS may suffer a high risk of developing ca

Postby Kronk » Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:42 am

I wouldn't base much fact on anything read on Mercola.com. The majority of what he has to say is an attempt to bolster sales of his books and his multi-million dollar dietary supplements and medical devices company.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Mercola
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Re: Patients with MS may suffer a high risk of developing ca

Postby want2bike » Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:47 am

Some people think it is irresponsible to suggest diet can cure disease. People need the information so they can decide what they want to do. We should all have a choice to do what we feel is right for us. Dr. Lorraine Day tells us how to cure breast cancer without destroying the immune system. Suppressing information is not a good thing. I am very suspect of anything the FDA, AMA or any other government agency has to say. They are the reason people are becoming very sick and dying. Copaxone is an immune suppressant just as all the other MS drugs. They suppress the immune system so it will not attack the body. This results is temporary relief but you may have to pay down the road once you destroy your liver. We should understand the risk before taking drugs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSWk5do0lmU

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Re: Patients with MS may suffer a high risk of developing ca

Postby lyndacarol » Thu Jan 16, 2014 6:17 pm

My earlier posting in this thread linked to an interview with Dr. Thomas Seyfried, PhD. He has unconventional ideas about the nature of cancer – that cancer is not a genetic disease, but rather that it is a disease of impaired mitochondrial function.

http://digivisionmedia.com/lectures/aca ... fried-phd/

If you recall, Dr. Terry Wahls believes that multiple sclerosis (MS) is a disease of the mitochondria.

In my opinion, there is value in listening to these "outside-the-box" thinkers. Traditional medicine has not found the answer for MS yet; perhaps an unconventional thinker will move us closer to our solution.
My hypothesis: excess insulin (hyperinsulinemia) plays a major role in MS, as developed in my initial post: http://www.thisisms.com/forum/general-discussion-f1/topic1878.html "Insulin – Could This Be the Key?"
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Re: Patients with MS may suffer a high risk of developing ca

Postby Kronk » Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:53 pm

Sorry to side track the thread. I do appreciate the outside the box thinkers as mainstream medicine hasn't done a TON to help our situation. However Mercola offers nothing to the discussion... his rhetoric is always the same garbage that is lapped up by the conspiracy theorists. The medical establishment is in a conspiracy to poison us all, the 18,500 killed by H1N1 is a hoax, vaccines are going to kill you, AIDS doesn't exist etc. etc.

The ideas offered by Dr. Thomas Seyfried are interesting and may have merit, its just unfortunate that Mercola is tied to it.
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Re: Patients with MS may suffer a high risk of developing ca

Postby want2bike » Fri Jan 17, 2014 9:50 am

G. Edward Griffin is a writer who explains how B17 works in treating cancer. You can look up all this information to verify the truth. It is important to remember there are a number of cures for cancer. Once the medical establishment has done cancer treatment (radiation, surgery, and chemo), taken all your money, and send you home to die there are other things you can do. If you haven't completely destroyed your immune system there is still hope. When we ask the question do people who have MS experience a higher rate of cancer I do not need a study to tell me that is true. Sure you will be able to find a study showing whatever the author wants it to show. You only have to look at the facts. People with MS believe their doctors and take the drugs. These drugs are immune suppressants. When you suppress your immune system you get other diseases. Our immune system is the doctor within us and I refuse to believe the FDA or AMA when they tell us weakening the immune system is a good thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZHk_4B5JD8
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Re: Patients with MS may suffer a high risk of developing ca

Postby blossom » Fri Jan 17, 2014 8:32 pm

want2bike wrote:These drugs are immune suppressants. When you suppress your immune system you get other diseases. Our immune system is the doctor within us and I refuse to believe the FDA or AMA when they tell us weakening the immune system is a good thing.



i agree, this so called named ms is not a fact that it is even an autoimmune disease, this is still in theory only. even if it were proven, and it's not,--to me killing off a person's immune system that is there to ward off sickness and heal us makes as much sence as breaking both arms and both legs of a troop of foot soldiers carrying guns and expecting them to protect and defend us and win a war.
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Re: Patients with MS may suffer a high risk of developing ca

Postby NHE » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:09 am

want2bike wrote:G. Edward Griffin is a writer who explains how B17 works in treating cancer.

There is no such thing as vitamin B17. It is a fictitious name for the compound amygdalin coined by people who wish to make money off of desperate cancer patients by selling them something that produces cyanide and does not cure cancer.
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Re: Patients with MS may suffer a high risk of developing ca

Postby NHE » Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:24 am

want2bike wrote:Copaxone is an immune suppressant just as all the other MS drugs. They suppress the immune system so it will not attack the body.

This is not correct. http://www.overcomingmultiplesclerosis. ... latiramer/
Overcoming Multiple Sclerosis wrote:Unlike the interferons, glatiramer doesn’t appear to have any general effect on the immune system, and it certainly doesn’t suppress the immune system. It therefore doesn’t make people more susceptible to infections or affect their blood count. And so, regular blood tests are unnecessary, because it has no measurable effect on any other body system. It also seems to reduce the production of some of the chemicals responsible for the inflammation caused by auto-immune activation.
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