change in dental amalgams

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Re: change in dental amalgams

Postby jimmylegs » Thu Jun 05, 2014 8:14 am

hang on.. solids and liquids emit vapors below boiling... evaporation does not require boiling... it would really, really suck if the temperature always had to be 100 degrees C before the air had any moisture content.

interesting:
room temperature mercury vapor formation video:
http://www.michigan.gov/mdch/0,1607,7-1 ... --,00.html
Phase 1. In this simulation, approximately 200 grams of mercury, as much as you'd find in a blood pressure measuring device, is poured into a dish at room temperature. As soon as it's exposed to air, mercury vapors leave the surface in wisps and plumes. Though heavier than air, and prone to collect in the lower levels of a room, the vapors are easily disturbed by air movement. In this case, people walking in the room during filming cause the vapors to change direction as they leave the dish. If the temperature of the room were elevated, the rate of vaporization would double for every eighteen degrees Fahrenheit increase.

wonder what a similar vid on amalgam would look like.
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Re: change in dental amalgams

Postby want2bike » Thu Jun 05, 2014 11:53 am

Mercury vapor is release from amalgams at room temperature. It is shown in the smoking teeth video. That is why if you have amalgams you should breath in through your nose and out through your mouth. Also important not to stimulate the fillings anymore than necessary. Chewing gum and hot liquids stimulate the fillings so they release higher levels of mercury. Mercury also travels through the body to different organs as shown by the sheep and monkey studies. The person who says I have had fillings all my life and it does not effect me I can tell you of my experience. I started getting fillings and root canals starting at around 20 years of age. It wasn't until I was 59 until I got really sick. Like the person who smokes for 40 years and says cigarette have not bothered me. How much poison it takes to make us sick is different for everyone. Keep in mind it could be the next cigarette or next amalgam which pushes you over the edge. I feel very fortunate that I was able to figure out the problem before it killed me. As Linda Brocato tells us some people have their amalgams removed and do not get better. Understand the mercury is already in the organs of the body and you must get it out to get better. After the amalgams are removed you have to detoxify the body. Some detoxify better than others. Did anyone ever wonder why a healthy young kid would have a heart attack while playing sports. Would be nice if they did a biopsy of the heart and find out how much mercury was in it.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVqYpi-dyqw

http://y2khealthanddetox.com/articles/mercfillings
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Re: change in dental amalgams

Postby DrGeoff » Thu Jun 05, 2014 12:10 pm

No argument about vapors given off.
My beef is with the statement that Mercury is a gas at room temperature - which it is not.
Water is a liquid at room temperature, even though it is giving off water vapor; and still a liquid while it is giving off vapor.

So, if the article linked to, and the much longer scientific paper that it drew upon had referred to vapor, there would be no argument.

Of course, "room temperature" is a very vague term; STP (Standard Temperature and Pressure) is better, provided you specify which STP is being used. Room temperature in Northern Germany in midwinter can easily be under 40F, and I have seen a household un Southern Nevada that regarded 85F as normal with the aircon running.

My point remains: it was sloppy science in a paper with pretensions to completeness (about 300 references, can you believe), and the sloppiness was carried over into the short article derived from it. So, what else was sloppy?

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Re: change in dental amalgams

Postby jimmylegs » Thu Jun 05, 2014 4:10 pm

well, it actually says 'representing a volatile gas at room temperature'... which (hair splitting about the meaning of 'volatile gas' aside) is technically true even while it also 'represents' a volatile liquid at similar temps.

Global Mercury Assessment
CHAPTER 2 Chemistry
http://www.chem.unep.ch/mercury/Report/Chapter2.htm
Mercury exists in the following main states under natural conditions
-As metallic vapour and liquid/elemental mercury;...

i often find less than perfect communication of ideas in studies, but personally i tend not to discard or discount entire academic papers based on the first imperfection.
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Re: change in dental amalgams

Postby want2bike » Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:33 pm

The statement mercury is the only metal which is a gas at room temperature is true as I see it. Do you know of any other metal which gives off a gas at room temperature? Mercury is a liquid at room temperature but it is the only metal which gives off a gas at room temperature. You can believe what you want but from my experience mercury will make you sick if you get more than your body can handle. It has made many sick. Some people are sick with mercury and don't even know it. The doctors tell you it is just old age or your imagination because they have no explanation. All they know is how to treat symptoms with drugs. They tell people with MS there is nothing to do but take the drugs. Many get better when they know the truth and do what is necessary for good health. The main thing to do is get the information out so we do not make our children sick with this stupid practice of putting mercury in their mouths. The FDA has heard from many sick people but it is all about the money with those jokers.

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Re: change in dental amalgams

Postby MattN » Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:40 pm

Sorry but if you cannot generalize about mercury as dangerous for everyone then you pretty much cannot generalize about anything as dangerous for everyone
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Re: change in dental amalgams

Postby HarryZ » Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:57 pm

The person who says I have had fillings all my life and it does not effect me I can tell you of my experience. I started getting fillings and root canals starting at around 20 years of age. It wasn't until I was 59 until I got really sick.


If you were getting root canals and had a lot of fillings at 20 then I would think you had some real issues with your teeth. Bad teeth can lead to heart problems and other systemic issues so to blame your problem on amalgam fillings 39 years later is a real long shot.

If as you say amalgam fillings are bad for everyone then why am I very healthy 45 years after I had several of them? Would not you think that all that mercury leaking into my system for 45 years would have had some effect on my health? The problem is you are taking your experience, making an assumption that it was amalgam fillings that caused your issues and then totally generalizing that amalgam is bad for everyone! Sorry, I don't buy that line of thought and your normal fear mongering comments. If it makes you feel good to make those statements then that is your prerogative but I don't think most readers here share that opinion.
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Re: change in dental amalgams

Postby jimmylegs » Thu Jun 05, 2014 6:08 pm

so this is interesting:

INTERACTIONS OF HUMAN COMMENSAL BACTERIA WITH AMALGAM-DERIVED MERCURY: THE SCIENCE AND ITS IMPLICATIONS FOR INFECTIOUS DISEASE AND NEUROTOXICOLOGY
http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/docket ... tach-1.pdf
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Re: change in dental amalgams

Postby jimmylegs » Thu Jun 05, 2014 6:19 pm

also interesting: quantifying how much amalgam is too much

Mercury Exposure and Risks from Dental Amalgam in Canada: The Canadian Health Measures Survey 2007–2009
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1 ... 5Ei2vldWt8
"Of Canadians with dental amalgam restorations, 80.4% experience a daily dose of Hg that exceeds the Canadian reference exposure level (REL) -associated dose. The number of amalgam surfaces that will not result in exceeding the REL-associated dose varied from two amalgam surfaces (children, both sexes) to seven surfaces (adult males)."

here's a little tale of woe: my mum grew up living in poverty, eating crap. for much of her life she had a mouth absolutely full of mercury, because the first time she ever went to a dentist was on her own initiative at age 12. so with that little anecdote in mind, i'll say yes we know overall health and dental health are correlated, but personally i consider mercury to be one aspect of a very large and complex picture.
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Re: change in dental amalgams

Postby HarryZ » Thu Jun 05, 2014 6:21 pm

want2bike wrote: You can believe what you want but from my experience mercury will make you sick if you get more than your body can handle.


Yes, that is correct but you are making a huge assumption that everyone who has had amalgam fillings over the years is sick or is going to get sick!! But everyone is different and their bodies react differently to disease and/or medications. Again, you generalize.

Some people are sick with mercury and don't even know it. The doctors tell you it is just old age or your imagination because they have no explanation. All they know is how to treat symptoms with drugs. They tell people with MS there is nothing to do but take the drugs.


Well I'm glad that you are qualified to make a diagnosis when it comes to mercury illness! While it was very unfortunate that your doctor made such a terrible error in your situation, do you think it is fair to again generalize that all doctors make the same mistake as your doctor did? Is it fair to state that all doctors only know how to treat symptoms with drugs? Is it right to say all doctors tell their MS patients the only thing they can do is take the drugs? My wife's neurologist told her "not" to take any drugs because he felt they would not help her situation at the time. So that negates your generalization again.


Many get better when they know the truth and do what is necessary for good health.


Remember, one person's truth can be another person's lie!!
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Re: change in dental amalgams

Postby jimmylegs » Thu Jun 05, 2014 6:22 pm

pretty new, not sure if i posted this one before

New science challenges old notion that mercury dental amalgam is safe
http://link.springer.com/article/10.100 ... 013-9700-9
...four recent reanalyses of one of these trials now suggest harm, particularly to boys with common genetic variants. These and other studies suggest that susceptibility to mercury toxicity differs among individuals based on multiple genes, not all of which have been identified. These studies further suggest that the levels of exposure to mercury vapor from dental amalgams may be unsafe for certain subpopulations. Moreover, a simple comparison of typical exposures versus regulatory safety standards suggests that many people receive unsafe exposures.
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Re: change in dental amalgams

Postby want2bike » Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:02 pm

I believe I answered the question as to why some people who have mercury fillings do not get sick. The ability to handle poison in the body is different for each of us. Some people get MS, some ALS, some Parkinson, etc.......... There should be no dispute that mercury is a poison. It is treated as such by the FDA but the FDA says it is not a poison when it is in your mouth. Does that sound logical? Once you get to a level where your body can't handle it you will get sick. Some people smoke cigarettes all their life and never get sick. Does that mean cigarettes are not poison for the body? My point is there is no reason to take the chance anymore. There are better methods of treating cavities an in the long run it cost a lot less sense you are not destroying your teeth. If you get as sick as Linda Brocato it is important to know you have the option of removing the amalgams and root canals. Linda was lucky. Some people never figure it out.
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Re: change in dental amalgams

Postby jimmylegs » Fri Jun 06, 2014 2:20 am

nonetheless, the science being published on the topic is interesting.
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Re: change in dental amalgams

Postby HarryZ » Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:32 am

There should be no dispute that mercury is a poison. It is treated as such by the FDA but the FDA says it is not a poison when it is in your mouth. Does that sound logical?


I believe that the FDA states that cyanide is a poison. But I believe you told us that you(or perhaps it was others) eat apricot seeds which contain cyanide. Using your analogy, the FDA should ban apricot seeds!! But if one looks at the science behind this you learn that eating apricot seeds doesn't pose a danger to those who eat them unless they are highly allergic to them for whatever reason. But your generalizations with amalgam and the bashing of the FDA again show the narrow line of thinking you display with your comments.

I don't think that any readers here disagree that mercury is dangerous under certain situations. But I doubt most readers here appreciate your wide generalizations and wide spread bashing of the FDA, doctors and anyone else who has a different point of view than you do. Give us your opinions to which you are entitled but save the generalized bashing which most people don't need.
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Re: change in dental amalgams

Postby want2bike » Fri Jun 06, 2014 6:27 am

Apricot seeds and laetrile are banned in the USA but I am able to order them online. Guess the FDA has a hard time keeping up with the illegal products. The FDA is suppose to be there to protect us from bad food and bad drugs. They have been taken over by the drug companies and big money corporations. The science they use is that of the drug companies. You cannot believe the science of the FDA or drug companies because their motive is money. I believed them for 59 years and when I stop believing them I got my health back. Many people get their health back when they stop believing the science of the FDA. The apricot seeds is one of the hidden cancer cures. I saw it work with my mother when she had a lesion on her lip. The doctor wanted to go in and cut it out. She used apricot seeds and baking soda paste for a week and it was gone. E. Griffin explains the science behind the apricot seed. The video "Cancer-Forbidden Cures" explains this and why the FDA does not want to cure cancer or any other disease. Our economy is built on sick people. If we make all the people well in our country what will we do with all the hospitals and their staff? We are not free to choose the treatment we want after they make us sick with their policies. We have to go to some other country to get treatment because they do not want us to get better. They want to put us on their drugs and leave us on them until we die. Fortunately we have people which tell us the real truth on how to get our health back. When people like Linda Brocato listen to the real science they get their health back. Linda realized the mercury in her mouth was making her sick and had it removed. If she had listen to the science of the ADA and FDA she would most likely be dead by now. We should all have the freedom to choose the treatment we want without the FDA telling us you can't do it. If the FDA were interested in our health they would not let them poison our water, poison our food, and poison us with their drugs.

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