Vertigo & spins - treatments?

If it's on your mind and it has to do with multiple sclerosis in any way, post it here.

Vertigo & spins - treatments?

Postby SystemError » Sat Apr 08, 2017 12:15 am

So I woke up with vertigo today and have been experiencing spins and light-headedness all day when I try to do anything other than lie down. I've never had this symptom before. I've heard travel sickness medicine is recommended for this - can anyone recommend one that works for them, or any other treatments or tips?
SystemError
Newbie
 
Posts: 7
Joined: Sun Aug 14, 2016 5:43 pm

Advertisement

Re: Vertigo & spins - treatments?

Postby jimmylegs » Sat Apr 08, 2017 5:01 am

dealt with / fixed this recently. my contribution - recent related forum posts :) others may have less fundamental treatment options but personally i stick to the basics http://bit.ly/2oN8hfB
odd sx? no dx? check w/ dietitian
DRI=MINIMUM eg bit.ly/1vgQclQ
99% don't meet these. meds/lifestyle can affect levels
status can be low in ms & other cond'ns
'but my results are normal'. typical panels don't test all
deficits occur in 'normal' range
User avatar
jimmylegs
Volunteer Moderator
 
Posts: 10439
Joined: Sat Mar 11, 2006 4:00 pm

Re: Vertigo & spins - treatments?

Postby SystemError » Sat Apr 08, 2017 6:53 am

Sorry, I'm finding it really hard to go through everything on that link to work out what's going on... Lots of different conversations. Could you perhaps summarise for me what has worked for you?
SystemError
Newbie
 
Posts: 7
Joined: Sun Aug 14, 2016 5:43 pm

Re: Vertigo & spins - treatments?

Postby jimmylegs » Sat Apr 08, 2017 7:51 am

hi i basically just got back on track with my daily nutrient intake. stopped skipping meals. ate particularly high nutrient density whole foods for meals and snacks.

emphasized anti inflammatory, antioxidant food choices. ppl w vertigo have been shown to have lower antioxidant status.

took my high quality multi 3 times a day, like it's supposed to be taken.

made sure daily magnesium (antiinflammatory, antioxidant) intake was right up there. aimed for the daily minimum from food (which i consider 7mg/km body weight per day), then added a high quality supplement for good measure (from mag glycinate, adds another 180mg elemental mag). extra mag helps you use d3, which is also in the picture where vertigo is concerned.

i topped up on zinc (antioxidant, anti-inflammatory) - always best from food sources, and must be properly balanced with copper any time it's taken in pill form eg zinc citrate.

low iron status is another possible candidate where vertigo is concerned. zinc and iron compete with each other when taken supplementally so yet another reason to emphasize nutrient dense dietary sources. for iron that means bioavailable heme (animai) sources, or alternatively non heme (veg) sources in combination with loads of vit c (many eg red pepper, strawberries, broccoli, all of which have more vit C than orange juice). and with vit C we find ourselves back at antioxidants. kind of a theme hehe.
odd sx? no dx? check w/ dietitian
DRI=MINIMUM eg bit.ly/1vgQclQ
99% don't meet these. meds/lifestyle can affect levels
status can be low in ms & other cond'ns
'but my results are normal'. typical panels don't test all
deficits occur in 'normal' range
User avatar
jimmylegs
Volunteer Moderator
 
Posts: 10439
Joined: Sat Mar 11, 2006 4:00 pm

Re: Vertigo & spins - treatments?

Postby Punchy » Sat Apr 08, 2017 8:38 am

Vertigo is one of my primary symptoms. It's awful, I feel for you.

First you'll want confirm it's MS-related. More likely it's an inner ear issue. The best way to find out is by performing the Epley Maneuver. Your neurologist can do this, and you can even try it on yourself. http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/libe ... y-maneuver

For nausea, I take children's liquid gravol. It doesn't knock me out like regular gravol.

Avoid reading, using your phone, watching TV for a few days. Podcasts and audio books are my go-to entertainment.

If the neurologist determines this is MS-related, he/she can give you steroids to speed up recovery. If it's an inner ear thing, decongestants and medications such as Cirque are effective.

All the best.
User avatar
Punchy
Family Elder
 
Posts: 193
Joined: Tue Mar 06, 2007 4:00 pm
Location: Toronto, Canada

Re: Vertigo & spins - treatments?

Postby jimmylegs » Sat Apr 08, 2017 12:10 pm

somebody mentioned epley maneuver to me as well, but the nutritional approach worked out so i never got around to trying it.

OT but with connections:

just had some back and forth on nausea with a family member dealing with morning sickness. i looked into it. looked like b6 was a thing to try. a certain dose. prenatals already in use weren't quite getting there. next thing i hear, a prescription is helping. what is it i ask. diclectin. so what does that turn out to be? a long recommended vit b6/antihistamine combo product, recently discredited as no more effective than b6 alone. can i find the meta analysis of b6 studies that provides any weighty evidence in favour of b6 for nausea, esp morning sickness or the more severe hyperemesis gravidarum? no. still:

Medical journal withdraws recommendation of morning sickness pill
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/201 ... -pill.html
Canadian Family Physician journal no longer recommends Diclectin as the go-to treatment, renouncing guidelines by embattled Motherisk.

Motherisk and Canadian Family Physician
http://www.cfp.ca/content/63/1/13.full? ... 2f4eca924d
Would a more formal double-blind peer-review process have detected the problems with the Motherisk NVP guidelines? It is hard to know with certainty. It was only through a thorough re-evaluation of the literature, prompted by questions from a patient to a family physician researcher, that led to this discovery. Evidence is not static; re-evaluation of accepted truths should not be seen as a weakness as new information comes forward.

kewl :) a member recently said something along the lines of scientists thinking they know everything. it's my understanding of science that it's an ongoing process of inquiry. keep questioning, all :)

related, interesting:
Pyridoxine for nausea and vomiting of pregnancy: A randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 7895903593
8-Way Randomized Controlled Trial of Doxylamine, Pyridoxine and Dicyclomine for Nausea and Vomiting during Pregnancy: Restoration of Unpublished Information
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/articl ... ne.0167609
The available information about this “8-way Bendectin” trial indicates it should not be used to support the efficacy of doxylamine, pyridoxine or dicyclomine for the treatment of nausea and vomiting during pregnancy because of a high risk of bias.
so did the b vits in my high quality multi and nutrient dense food choices have a role in the disappearance of my own recent vertigo issues? i have no idea, but the vertigo is thankfully gone :)

Pyridoxine for nausea and vomiting of pregnancy: A randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 7895903593
significant decrease in the mean of posttherapy minus baseline nausea scores in the pyridoxine compared with that in the placebo group (t test, p = 0.0008). There was also a greater reduction in the mean number of vomiting episodes, but the difference did not reach statistical significance
Vitamin B6 Is Effective Therapy for Nausea and Vomiting of Pregnancy: A Randomized, Double-Blind Placebo-Controlled Study.
http://journals.lww.com/greenjournal/ab ... and.7.aspx
"In patients with mild to moderate nausea and in the group as a whole, no significant difference between treatment and placebo was observed.... In conclusion, the mean "difference in nausea" score in patients with severe nausea and the total number of patients with vomiting were significantly reduced following vitamin B6 therapy
Nausea and vomiting of pregnancy - What's new?
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 0216300480
The pathogenesis of NVP remains unclear, but there is consensus that the disorder is multifactorial and that various genetic, endocrine and infectious factors may be involved. ... Therapies range from dietary changes, pharmacologic treatment or hospitalization with intravenous fluid replacement and nutrition therapy.

wonder what else contributes to this general phenom.

k back to vertigo!!
odd sx? no dx? check w/ dietitian
DRI=MINIMUM eg bit.ly/1vgQclQ
99% don't meet these. meds/lifestyle can affect levels
status can be low in ms & other cond'ns
'but my results are normal'. typical panels don't test all
deficits occur in 'normal' range
User avatar
jimmylegs
Volunteer Moderator
 
Posts: 10439
Joined: Sat Mar 11, 2006 4:00 pm

Re: Vertigo & spins - treatments?

Postby SystemError » Sat Apr 08, 2017 8:16 pm

Thanks for all this, guys.

An update: the vertigo stopped yesterday after a few incidents, each lasting about 30 seconds. Since then I've just had general light headedness. Not sure if this is an MS relapse or not. It certainly improved overnight, so it's not as bad today as it was yesterday, but still feeling a little woozy.

I guess I'll just continue to monitor the situation, but the idea of it being related to a magnesium deficiency is interesting because I already started taking mag supplements last week, due to muscle cramping.
SystemError
Newbie
 
Posts: 7
Joined: Sun Aug 14, 2016 5:43 pm

Re: Vertigo & spins - treatments?

Postby NHE » Sun Apr 09, 2017 1:59 am

SystemError wrote:An update: the vertigo stopped yesterday after a few incidents, each lasting about 30 seconds. Since then I've just had general light headedness. Not sure if this is an MS relapse or not. It certainly improved overnight, so it's not as bad today as it was yesterday, but still feeling a little woozy.

Hi SystemError,
It's good to hear that your symptoms are better. I had vertigo once a few years ago that I attributed to damage related to my then recent diagnosis of B12 deficiency. My vertigo symptoms were reversed. I couldn't bear lying down since it was so bad, but I was fine sitting up. I spent the night sleeping in a recliner chair. The symptoms were better the next day though. However, sometimes I still get a slight room spinning effect when lying down, but without the nausea. I just close my eyes and things are fine.
User avatar
NHE
Volunteer Moderator
 
Posts: 4475
Joined: Sat Nov 20, 2004 4:00 pm

Re: Vertigo & spins - treatments?

Postby KyrieTimo » Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:03 pm

Not to knock other commenters but I would always try non-pharmaceutical methods if they exist.

And for BPPV - benign paroxysmal positional vertigo, which I am definitely NOT diagnosing you with as I am not a diagnostician, I will just add to your knowledge with the following:

Epley and/or Semont Maneuvers. Google these! I know they look super weird but if you have crystals where they aren't supposed to be (now I really sound like a quack) then these simple techniques will work when done right.

Good luck :)

Tim
KyrieTimo
Newbie
 
Posts: 8
Joined: Tue Sep 05, 2017 5:37 pm

Re: Vertigo & spins - treatments?

Postby koneall » Thu Sep 07, 2017 11:29 am

In early June I had an attack of vertigo. Never happened before. I was in the hospital for 3 days then released with the diagnosis of M.S. Just a few days ago they added the diagnosis of anti-phospholipid syndrome. I'm on blood thinners and once a month I get a treatment of tysabri. I don't know which is the real agent, MS or APL? Maybe both. But I'm 60 and never had any of the common signs of MS.

kaypeeoh
koneall
Family Member
 
Posts: 26
Joined: Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:18 pm


Return to General Discussion

 


  • Related topics
    Replies
    Views
    Last post

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users


Contact us | Terms of Service