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Re: Multiple Sclerosis Desatascador

Postby David1949 » Tue Jul 03, 2018 12:05 pm

Gristy
Your recent posts are much more illuminating than the early ones. The early posts were confusing and evasive. The new ones are much better. Thank you for that.
BTW I'm also an engineer although I'm not an expert in electromagnetism Looks like I'll have to do some research.
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Re: Multiple Sclerosis Desatascador

Postby gristy56 » Wed Jul 04, 2018 3:38 am

You're quite capable of googling yourself. If I quote links that are not 100 percent my thinking then the original thinking is watered down. I quite realise it needs a step of faith on your part but the only thing I can do is to communicate my own experience. If my advice, non-professional though it may be does not strike a chord with your own thinking, I can only apologise for wasting your time.
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Re: Multiple Sclerosis Desatascador

Postby jimmylegs » Wed Jul 04, 2018 5:29 am

science fail
take control of your own health
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ask for referrals to preventive health care specialists eg dietitians
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Re: Multiple Sclerosis Desatascador

Postby David1949 » Wed Jul 04, 2018 4:44 pm

Simon
Yes I plan to study it myself. Now that you have explained it better you're not wasting my time. I do have another question though: 99.9% of people don't have MS. What is different about the 0.1% of us who do get it? Why do we have trouble with magnetosomes while other people don't?
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Re: Multiple Sclerosis Desatascador

Postby David1949 » Wed Jul 04, 2018 5:08 pm

Jimmylegs
I wouldn't call it a science fail. I'm not saying I agree with gristy, but I'm open to the idea. I have a closet full of minerals, herbs and vitamins I've tried because someone said they help with MS. I've also tried all kinds of diets which purportedly help MSers. I even had a catheter run up my veins and an angioplasty balloon inflated in my jugulars at a cost of thousands of dollars. All of these things were to no avail. Other folks have taken DMDs that cost $50 grand per year and offer no hope of a cure. Medical science doesn't have a clue about curing MS, but they can charge you a fortune for something that does little or no good. So when an engineer offers a theory that seems to make sense and a proposed cure that would cost only 20 bucks I'm willing to listen. But I think I'll wait and see how well it works for Elliot before I try it.
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Re: Multiple Sclerosis Desatascador

Postby gristy56 » Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:25 am

I think the 0,1 percent of people that -
Have inherited iron overload at birth.
Have further over enhanced this during childhood due to diet.
Have a system that causes the formation of magnetite.
Have narrow veins limiting circulation.
Have sleapt predominantly in a North-South direction.
Have regularly used appliances that radiate large electromagnetic fields close to the shoulders.

-are at a high risk of MS.
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Re: Multiple Sclerosis Desatascador

Postby jimmylegs » Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:35 am

hi david, a few questions if i may :)
1. have you got your most recent (no worry how long ago it was) bloodwork panel for the key nutrients of concern to ms patients?
2. have you previously shared nutrient related bloodwork results on the forum, for review?
3. have you been referred to a registered dietitian?
4. when trying nutrient products, what were the symptoms you were looking to improve?
5. which nutritional (not herbal) supplements had you tried?
6. what specific products, forms, doses and serving sizes were involved? devil is often in the details...
7. in each case, was your serum response to the increased intake measured?
8. were there any absorption challenges eg due to things like cofactors, combinations and/or timing of supplement intake?
9. if yes, in the spirit of adaptive managment were any regimen modifications implemented?
10. today, are you confident that your bloodwork for nutrients of concern for patients with ms is a match for healthy control levels as documented in the scientific literature?

regards,
fellow (former) engineering/building science technologist type

ps. perhaps i can interest you in my 'zapper', built by a well-meaning mechanical engineer (nuclear energy) of my acquaintance. :twisted:
https://www.drclarkinfocenter.com/en/te ... is3254.php
(and incidentally, the same family friend who directed my attention to TiMS in the first place...)
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Re: Multiple Sclerosis Desatascador

Postby David1949 » Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:11 am

Jimmylegs
In answer to your questions:
1. I've had blood work done in the past 5 years. Most results were in the normal range. What nutrients are you looking for?
2. no
3. no
4. I have great weakness in the left leg and very poor balance. I can still walk with my cane and foot brace but not very far. I also have trouble with muscle spasms at night. Fixing any of those symptoms would be great. I have PPMS so I don't have relapses.
5. Cod liver oil, Vitamin a, b, c, d, e, magnesium, calcium, potassium, selenium
6. Don't remember
7. Response was not measured.
8. Don't know
9. no
10. no

PS I read Dr. Hulda Clark's book just before she was arrested. Never built the zapper though. Judging by your emoticon I guess it didn't help you. :-)
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Re: Multiple Sclerosis Desatascador

Postby jimmylegs » Thu Jul 05, 2018 12:31 pm

ooh info, i like :)
1. excellent.
i look askance at normal results, since there are distinct separate clusters of patients and healthy subjects within normal ranges.
would be good, if available, to have a closer look at
serum vit b12, serum vit d3, also serum magnesium, serum copper and serum zinc pls.
nice to have but not need to have: serum uric acid.
i'm assuming there will be standard evaluations of things like serum ferritin and serum electrolytes such as calcium, potassium etc in the past bloodwork mix as well - those can be good to know too.
2. feel like sharing any now?
3. ok no dietitian to date, assuming you have never completed a three day diet diary to date, would you?
for analytical purposes, these should read more like lists of recipe ingredients than menu items.
4. weakness, balance and spasms all sound like elements worth taking a closer look at nutrient status
5. nice start on the regimen list. if you still have things kicking around in a cupboard, some fine details for each could be informative.
6. do you take any of those currently? here's an example of the kind of info i look for (this is for one of the mag products i use):
magnesium glycinate, by orange naturals, 200mg per serving, serving size 1 powder capsule.
i take this product every time i take any vit d3, and then i take another one (or similar eg mag citrate) well away from the d3
7. tsk tsk. i'm not a fan when research says 'hmm that didn't do anything' but you can't see if the approach they tried was successful at moving subjects' levels out of the 'patients' section of the normal range in question, and into the 'healthy controls' portion of that same normal range.
8. understandable that absorption issues -if any- were unknown, given the absence of monitoring
9 and 10. these are things you may be able to change, if so inclined.

checking any existing bloodwork results you may have on file, for items on the list of nutrients described in item 1 above, will be a good start :)

i've never used the zapper myself, but it's still kicking around the house here
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Re: Multiple Sclerosis Desatascador

Postby ElliotB » Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:02 pm

Never heard or the Zapper but it sounds interesting, similar concept as to what it does in theory to the Scalar Laser I am currently using.

Found this interesting video on the Zapper on You Tube:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrLb9aMHfyI


There are lots of similar videos and websites on the subject such as this one:

http://www.bestzapper.com/


Many sites claim success stories in the tens of thousands.

Certainly an interesting product/concept and seems harmless to try...
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Re: Multiple Sclerosis Desatascador

Postby jimmylegs » Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:42 pm

take control of your own health
pursue optimal self care at least as actively as a diagnosis
ask for referrals to preventive health care specialists eg dietitians
don't let suboptimal self care muddy any underlying diagnostic picture!
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Re: Multiple Sclerosis Desatascador

Postby jimmylegs » Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:09 pm

take control of your own health
pursue optimal self care at least as actively as a diagnosis
ask for referrals to preventive health care specialists eg dietitians
don't let suboptimal self care muddy any underlying diagnostic picture!
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Re: Multiple Sclerosis Desatascador

Postby ElliotB » Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:44 pm

thanks for posting those links that provide a better perspective on the creator of the Zapper and her Zapper, what an amazing story! We have to be so careful...

Wasn't there a wristband that was popular a few years ago that promised so many health benefits - guess it got zapped!
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Re: Multiple Sclerosis Desatascador

Postby David1949 » Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:46 pm

Jimmylegs
I assume you are doing these things. May I ask how you're doing physically? Also what type of MS do you have and how long have you had it?
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Re: Multiple Sclerosis Desatascador

Postby ElliotB » Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:00 pm

I have not tried the Zapper, bought the fan the OP promotes but still waiting for instructions.

I do try many 'safe' protocols. Take a lot of supplements, lots of exercise and follow the least popular diet there is. Tried acupuncture this week for the first time to help control pain in one area (only 3 needles) and it seems to have worked. I was diagnosed 5 years ago, but I had minor symptoms probably as long ago as 30-40 years (I am now 59) . My neurologist thinks I am no longer in the RRMS stage but now am SPMS. Overall I am doing very, very well with no sign of any disease activity. I do have persistent intermittent nerve pain likely from a MS attack 4 years ago. But I am smart enough to know that it is possible/likely that I have a mild case of MS and none of the the things I am doing are doing anything. Or perhaps they are having some beneficial effect. There is no way of knowing for sure. Because there is MS in my family history I know all too well what the disease can do. So I am leaving nothing to chance and never stop fighting.
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