Scalarwave Lasers - Have you used one?

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Scalarwave Lasers - Have you used one?

Postby ElliotB » Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:59 pm

I am seeing a doctor who has this device and tried it out a few days ago. Frankly don't know if it can help me but it is not overly expensive and may help with my pain. It is supposed to help with inflammation and promote relaxation. Could just be 'snake oil'. Who knows. But there is no down side.

Have you used one? If so, what is/was your experience?

Here are links to some info if you are not familiar with it:

https://www.unwindingwithlasers.com/


https://www.sacredscalarlaser.com/
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Re: Scalarwave Lasers - Have you used one?

Postby CureOrBust » Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:50 pm

If you ever need to check the science behind anything, search using google scholar, and be sure to un-check "patents"

https://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?a ... as_sdt=1,5

I do not see any peer-reviewed articles specific to this technology.
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Re: Scalarwave Lasers - Have you used one?

Postby NHE » Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:15 am

ElliotB wrote:I am seeing a doctor who has this device and tried it out a few days ago. Frankly don't know if it can help me but it is not overly expensive and may help with my pain. It is supposed to help with inflammation and promote relaxation. Could just be 'snake oil'. Who knows. But there is no down side.

The downside is the loss of financial resources. Is the doctor trying to sell you one? He might be part of the company's affiliate program where he gets kickbacks for each referral.

Try a search on Amazon for "cold laser" to find much lower priced products.

ElliotB wrote:Have you used one? If so, what is/was your experience?

Here are links to some info if you are not familiar with it:

https://www.unwindingwithlasers.com/

https://www.sacredscalarlaser.com/

Those two websites have an overwhelming amount of unscientific meaningless fluff written on them.

Here's a post I wrote just over a year ago about phototherapy.

natural-approach-f27/topic28925.html#p247067

NHE wrote:Can light therapy help the brain?
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 161648.htm

Near-IR light penetrates skull to aid traumatic brain injury
http://www.laserfocusworld.com/articles ... njury.html


Quoting from the second link...

The study compared penetration levels of low-power NIR, such as that from light-emitting diodes (LEDs) with high-power NIR on skin, bone, tissue, and brain. The findings include (1) that low-power infrared light in the milliwatt range does not penetrate a full thickness section of human skin (2 mm), nor does it deliver any significant infrared energy to a depth of 3 cm into the brain; (2) high-power infrared light achieved at least 3 cm penetration into the brain--this included wavelengths of 980 and 808 nm with 9-13 W average power; (3) a "pulsed" application of NIR light might be more effective than continuous wave light; (4) no thermal skin irritation occurred, and skin temperature change was negligible; and (5) existing medical assumptions about the penetration of NIR underlying current medical applications are faulty.

"Our data show that LED and low level NIR offer at best transient benefit, and often do not even penetrate through the skin," said Henderson. "Our data shows no significant amount of light gets to the areas needing to be treated."
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Re: Scalarwave Lasers - Have you used one?

Postby ElliotB » Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:42 am

"Is the doctor trying to sell you one? " No. I am investigating this purchase on my own. He used it on me during my last visit as he thought it might help me. As I have had some experience with laser therapies in the past, it peak my interest.


There are many different types of laser treatment devices available. The laser wave on this one is supposed to be different than typical lasers. The wave and color spectrum are different than most. I actually have a Metler high power laser system that is meant for muscle and arthritic pain which I have had for over 10 years. I used this for therapy on my knee after ACL surgery. I have used it for strained muscles. I woke up this morning and had a stiff neck and it it seemed to provide relief within 10-15 minutes. BUT after all this time of using it, I still can't say with 100% certainty that it works - I think it does but...


i knew it was a long shot but was hoping that perhaps someone here had some experience with it. And yes, those sites I linked to do have a lot unscientific meaningless fluff which is why I posted here.


I am probably going to get one to try out.

Here is a link to another interesting site I found on this topic:

https://discoverlasers.com/healing-home ... ain-relief
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Re: Scalarwave Lasers - Have you used one?

Postby ElliotB » Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:09 am

I found one on eBay at a discounted price and should have it in about a week, and will follow up here after I have used it for a couple of weeks. I am keeping my fingers crossed.
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Re: Scalarwave Lasers - Have you used one?

Postby 81Charger » Mon Jun 25, 2018 1:40 pm

Interesting please keep us posted
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Re: Scalarwave Lasers - Have you used one?

Postby ElliotB » Fri Jul 06, 2018 6:48 am

I have been using the laser for about a week and a half. I think it is helping me with my nerve pain but I don't know for sure. It is going to take more time.

One thing I do know is that certain specific areas that I have had persistent pain for years are doing better (virtually no pain). Especially my right hand. But I don't know for sure if the laser is why I have had improvement. But it is certainly possible.
And not all of my pain areas have improved. Another observation - I have mild pain (intermittent) on the right side of my face and within seconds of treating with the laser in that area, the sensation changes - not that the pain goes away at that exact moment, it is just a slightly different sensation that happens every time I use the laser in that area.

I plan to continue using the device and will report back on this in a few weeks.
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