EXACTLY! Very astute! You're better at explaining what I mean than I am! Thanks!TwistedHelix wrote: I can't speak on Lyon's behalf, but I took him to mean that if we removed a bacterium with which we had a symbiotic relationship, the effect would be immediately obvious. Removing parasites which may be important in balancing our immune system would take much longer to show its effect on our health, and so it would be difficult to spot that direct causal link. Sorry, Bob, if I've misunderstood you.
To some degree this is a moot point. Hopefully they will soon base a drug on whatever the worms are doing to the immune system and illness or death due to parasites won't be an issue. Additionally, the biggest risk with the parasites which had originally been found our areas is over infestation. Considering that they became extinct in our populations because they couldn't complete their life cycle, over infestation isn't really a consideration.I take your point, Cure, about survival rates going up if you remove parasites as a cause of death, but I can't quite get my head around why that would affect the rates of auto-immune disease -- suppose, for example, one per cent of a population gets auto-immune disease while four per cent die young because of parasite infestation. If you remove the parasites, four per cent will live longer, but the percentage getting autoimmunity should stay the same unless the parasites have something to do with the disease.
Why? Would that be because they killed little jenny down the street with the cute smile & pig-tails.Lyon wrote:.....not that we would have shed any tears!
No, I dont believe they are highly fatal, only to the people that die Its just easier to make cracks about it, than it is for you to mention that they arent little angels living just for us. But, the point is, some helminths have been known to cause death in humans; for that I am sure I have posted a link on another worm thread.Lyon wrote:I'm going to have to put some numbers together for you because you seem to have the idea that parasite infestation is highly fatal.
Its either that, or you have to keep putting up with my death march on all your post.Lyon wrote:I think we'd both be interested in seeing the percentage rate of death.
Thats what I thought, just didnt want to assume it.TwistedHelix wrote:The point I was trying to make was simply this...
I can actually see the immune numbers going up, but doctors still wanting them out. If we had two groups of people (Group A & Group B) and only one group were infested with helminths (Group A), the original doctors MAY of found that:TwistedHelix wrote:If you remove the parasites, four per cent will live longer, but the percentage getting autoimmunity should stay the same unless the parasites have something to do with the disease.
Thanks for explaining Cure, that's actually what I didn't understand.....what you meant by "bummed out"This is what I meant by that the deaths were not "spoiling the numbers" in group B; as they did with group A, who's gunna count who developed an itch when someone else has died.
There might be more people who use this site than you think but they are scattered among the various special interest forums. There also seem to be a lot of people who pop in from time to time just to see what's up. With over 3100 registered users there are surely some who signed up and never came back.dylan48 wrote: Something seems wrong about this board. 400k people with MS equalling a serious health condition and to my count 6 to 8 people intersted enough to post I would think the number should be around a thousand..Why ? ... bad science ?
Not 100% sure what you're getting at but I think you might mean that the roadhouse with the fullest parking lot is evidently "where it's at". Yeah, that would be heredylan48 wrote: The parking lot test when looking for a place to get a beer
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