Fillings and MS

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Postby Lyon » Fri Dec 14, 2007 4:26 pm

Hi gwa,
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Postby katie45 » Fri Dec 14, 2007 5:45 pm

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Postby Thomas » Sat Dec 15, 2007 4:36 am

katie45, teh link was broken. try this:

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Postby Lyon » Sat Dec 15, 2007 9:09 am

That's definitely concerning. Thank you katie45 and Thomas.
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Postby ewizabeth » Sat Dec 15, 2007 9:24 am

I have a mouth full of amalgam too. My dentist thinks this is silly. After I was diagnosed, I casually asked him if my fillings were made of amalgam? He answered yes, and looked at me like, oh no, not another one of those people wanting all their fillings removed? :oops: Just one question comes to mind... Why don't most dentists have MS then? They breath the fumes all day at work?
Take care, Ewizabeth Previously Avonex, Rebif & Copaxone RRMS ~Tysabri, 31 infusions, ended 9/09. Starting Copaxone 12/09, waiting for Cladribine to be approved in 2010.
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Postby Lyon » Sat Dec 15, 2007 9:42 am

ewizabeth wrote: :oops: Just one question comes to mind... Why don't most dentists have MS then? They breath the fumes all day at work?
I don't have any idea. This has got me so mixed up that I don't know whether to shit or go blind :roll:

I've never liked the idea of mercury in my mouth but I've always read that it isn't harmful. I have to believe that dentists wouldn't have anything to do with it if they believed it was harmful. I guess the remaining question is, how well do they understand the chemistry of it?

This situation is a textbook MS situation in that "if" amalgam and mercury vapors really did/do instigate MS, it would be considered a trigger with an underlying predisposition to the disease so you might expect a higher percentage of dentists to get MS, but maybe not a shocking, easily noticeable increase.

That video is eerie and concerning, but I still have to go back to the thought, if amalgam really were an instigator why would campath, Tovaxin and HDC consistantly bring the MS process to a screeching halt?

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Postby cheerleader » Sat Dec 15, 2007 10:05 am

Hi Bob-
Our dentist explained the difference to us. The dentists exposure to mercury amalgam is limited (although dentist's suicide and depression rates ain't great) it's the amalgam wearer's constant 24/7 ingestion and inhalation of amalgam that creates a buildup in the system. Mercury can be excreted if the exposure is limited. The body is able to pass it....however, if levels become too high, the body holds on to it in brain, liver, spine. That's why dentist's MS rates won't be an indicator.

But next time you're at the dentist, ask them if they, or their beloved family members have heads full of amalgam, and watch'em squirm!

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PS...I believe mercury is one of many "invaders" the immune system recognizes as "other" and begins synapse shutdown. Don't think it's the only instigator, but one of many that break BBB-
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Postby gwa » Sat Dec 15, 2007 10:09 am

That video is scary. I am glad that I had mine removed long ago.

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Postby Loobie » Sat Dec 15, 2007 10:23 am

The puzzling thing about this one for me is that I have never had a cavity and I have MS. Like we all keep saying, it's the combination of all things genetic related, infection related, environment related, and for some, this may have beeen the trigger. It obviously wan't mine since I've never had mercury in my mouth except when it was on the inside of a thermometer.

My Mom, who is 65, has never had a cavity either and she has peripheral neuropathy that is not diabetes related. I dont' know whether that's an autoimmune thing or not, but the filling thing for me is just simply N/A. I did watch that video and I must say, I don't ever want that shit in my mouth just on general principle. It reminded me of that scene in the movie "Dune" where the guy has a tooth full of poison gas and he bites it like the old cyanide tablet scenario to keep from being interrogated. After watching that video I got the same feel as I get from global warming. Whether it's real or not, we need to clean our act up. On the same note, whether there is a connection with mercury or not, we need to quit putting a known toxin in our freakin' mouths.
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Postby katie45 » Sat Dec 15, 2007 10:47 am

thank you for fixing that link Thomas. I believe most people do have the biological ability to clear reasonable amounts of heavy metals but some people don't. Also when the amount exceeds what we can handle we respond with symptoms with the long list of neurological labels....ms, als, alz, park. ..Studies have also shown that ms and others are dependant on the amount of amalgam fillings in the mouth..Why do they not make the connection between neuro disease and fillings? Why do dentists laugh at us when we ask them? Can you imagine the lawsuits if this were confirmed? Playing dumb is to their benefit and allows the medical/dental to continue making $ on our demise. Just the ms society alone is a multibillion dollar construct that employs hundreds of thousands...What would they do if we were'nt sick? I do not believe we have ms because of the lack of some pharmaceutical drug, it is because of an excess of something in our system that should'nt be there...That to me is simple logic so probably won't fly..
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Postby Lyon » Sat Dec 15, 2007 11:41 am

katie45 wrote:That to me is simple logic so probably won't fly..
Whether or not amalgam instigates the MS process in anyone or what percentage, I can't say, but simple logic is common sense and it's wise to keep that a part of MS research.

This thread has insured that I personally am going to be looking a lot deeper into the possible relationship.

I plan to read a lot of different things but I thought it was good to look at the other side of the coin and this is what I'm reading right now http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRel ... rcury.html

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Postby ewizabeth » Sat Dec 15, 2007 1:15 pm

Lyon wrote:
katie45 wrote:I thought it was good to look at the other side of the coin and this is what I'm reading right now http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRel ... rcury.html

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Bob,

I suppose if we were all chemists, we would've already known this. :-) That makes lots of sense.

Maybe the evidence of tooth decay is more of a factor than the amalgam. For instance, smokers are much more likely to start losing teeth at a younger age. It could be that the tooth decay is more a clue than anything else? Or the dietary habits that lead to it? All our highly processed foods, etc... ? But since amalgam contains mercury, some will blame it rather than other environmental factors?
Take care, Ewizabeth Previously Avonex, Rebif & Copaxone RRMS ~Tysabri, 31 infusions, ended 9/09. Starting Copaxone 12/09, waiting for Cladribine to be approved in 2010.
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Postby Lyon » Sat Dec 15, 2007 2:01 pm

ewizabeth wrote:Maybe the evidence of tooth decay is more of a factor than the amalgam.
Hi wiz,
That comparison highlights a very valid point that I fight to remain mindful of.

I've come to be friends with Dr Kurtzke and a few months ago I was trying to convince him that his work, which led him to the conviction that MS is the result of the introduction of an unidentified infection, I think that same evidence more validly points to the loss of helminth parasites, which there is more supporting evidence for than an "unidentified" infection. I'd have to look through my email for his exact response but it hinted what you did, that things aren't always as obvious as they seem.

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Postby robin50 » Sun Dec 16, 2007 12:01 am

cheerleader wrote:AC
PS...I believe mercury is one of many "invaders" the immune system recognizes as "other" and begins synapse shutdown. Don't think it's the only instigator, but one of many that break BBB-


out of my experiences,

you should NOT ASK a dentist about your amalgam fillings, of course he will remove it!

ask a neuro doc with experiences, thats more representative!

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( i studied chemcal engineering and know also a bit about toxicity of heavy metals, like mercury)
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Postby cheerleader » Sun Dec 16, 2007 1:02 pm

OK Robin,
I decided to ask a neurologist...someone much more educated than I, or my dentist, and someone well-versed in heavy metals. He works and writes in Sweden, where amalgam is now banned.

Dr. Patrick Stortebecker, MD, PhD from the book Mercury Poisoning from Dental Amalgam
"Dental amalgam is a highly unstable metal that easily gives off mercury vapor. The most dangerous route for transport of mercury vapor, being released from dental amalgams, is from the mucous membranes of the upper nasal cavity and directly upwards to the brain where mercury vapor easily penetrates the dura mater. Mercury (vapor) can act in a much stronger concentration straight on the brain cells."

I'm sorry if I offended you, Robin, but I believe this board is the place to posit these kinds of questions.
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