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Interesting link! An easier way, I would think, would be to take the chlorine out of our drinking water and go back to drinking water the way God made it. Oh yeah, first we would have to shut down most of the industry or find a better way of dealing with it so that it does not end up polluting our water supply. Maybe forget that one. How about making them grow our fruits and vegetables without all the chemicals they put in them? That's possible! How about we let kids go ahead and get chicken pox and measles and mumps and let their little immune systems work up their own defenses against disease? Everybody in my age group had those diseases and we all lived to tell the tale. I did however come down with MS regardless though I must say it is nowhere near as bad as some of the young folks are getting. I tend to think there is merit in the argument that some parasites are there for a purpose - knowingly eating them is a bit rough though. Like you said, just reading about it could turn one off food permanently. Think I will wait for CCSVI Liberation treatment to get to Canada and at least get rid of the worst of my symptoms that way maybe. It is one h*ll of a dilemma though, isn't it?

I met Dr. Flemming, he is a nice guy!

You're right. Intelligent, objective and personable.

Ms Dragonslayer

Not chlorinating water supplies would simply open us up to a whole host of acute bacterial infections which are often fatal - Typhoid, cholera, e- coli. ALso viruses.

On the other hand a few small parasitic worms are harmless.

the water at my work has UV tertiary treatment not chlorine. region-wide organization, many locations, and the water hasn't killed us yet!

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my approach: no meds so far - just balanced whole foods (partial 'paleo', much less outright elimination), science, supplements, & bloodwork
my regimen - www.thisisms.com/ftopict-2489.html
www.whfoods.com, www.nutritiondata.com

UV is a useful treatment at point of use but provides no residual protection.

Best of luck to you and please keep us updated.
Bob

Not entirely specific to MS, but interesting article on the subject http://www.hindawi.com/journals/jbb/2010/743758.html

Has there been any information on how the trial is going? It's interesting, to say the least.

Hi Cece, I haven't wanted to seem nosy by out and out asking him but early on he had said that he wouldn't waste the money on phase II if phase 1 didn't seem promising and he did go on to phase II.

I find it interesting that swine whipworm ova seem to be easing symptoms when you consider that the whole idea behind this is that the helminths which shared evolutionary history with humans are masters of the human immune system, as evidenced by the fact that they survive very comfortably in us despite the purpose of the Human immun system which is to kill eliminate foreign bodies.

Swine whipworms aren't masters of our immune system and in fact are noticed and killed by our immune within several weeks time, yet if the symptom improvements prove real those swine whipworms are doing something right.

Autoimmune therapy's garauntee whipworm infection for 18 months. Hookworm for 3 years

Right, both types of hookworms evolved with humans and the whipworms they are selling are actually Trichuris trichiura, the human whipworm rather than the swine whipworm, Trichuris suis, which the FDA begrudgingly allows to be used for US clinical trials.

I don't know how anyone could possibly know but it's accepted that hookworms and T trichiura can live 15-20 years in humans-despite the purpose of our immune systems. Definitely masters of the immune system but it remains to be seen what benefits will be found by bringing the immune system back in check in adults with when the immune system has already gotten out of whack enough to cause damage.

edited quote that I'd goofed up.

It is crazy how much we still have to learn about the human body. Hopefully all of this research helps us get a better understanding of how all of this stuff works together.

couldn't find much on the current HINT trial other than this:


http://msassociation.org/publications/s ... .story.asp
Definitely a squeamish factor but it has logical underpinnings. I could see a situation where the effects of CCSVI opens up the blood brain barrier and then depending on how reactive the immune system is, which could historically have been modulated by helminths, you either get inflammation and lesions or you don't.

yeah, not really buying the "it's just like yogurt" argument....

Scientific American
The worms within

http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/ ... 2010-12-17