This Is MS Multiple Sclerosis Community: Knowledge & Support

Welcome to the world's leading forum on Multiple Sclerosis research, support, and knowledge. For over 10 years, This is MS has provided an unbiased community dedicated to Multiple Sclerosis patients, caregivers, and affected loved ones.
It is currently Tue May 21, 2013 12:40 am


All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 10 posts ] 
Author Message
PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 10:24 am 
Offline
Family Elder
User avatar

Joined: Wed Mar 10, 2004 4:00 pm
Posts: 197
Odduck wrote:
Raising BDNF is only one of many ways to help provide neuroprotection. Maintaining neuronal (via ion channels) sodium density is also a form of neuroprotection. (Keppra - i.e. levetiracetam - helps to provide neuroprotection, also.) Most of the AEDs have neuroprotection mechanisms of action. There are several neurotrophins that will help provide neuroprotection.

And can/should it be inexpensive? Absolutely! It's fairly easy to find substances/drugs that will assist with neuroprotection.

Neuroprotection is a major part of helping MS.
--------------------------------------------------------
I am wondering what we can take for Neuroprotection that is non prescription. How do we raise sodium density, eat more salt?

Any opinion on Anti-Inflammatories May Help Neuron Replacement?
http://www.thisisms.com/modules.php?nam ... =0&thold=0

Has anyone found a comprehensive reference on supplements for MS? There is one, with user ratings at RemedyFind
http://remedyfind.com/type.asp?id=62&TYPE_ID=2

but I'd be interested in seeing others, as it doesn't have all, like ferulic acid or inosine.

SammyJo


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 10:41 am 
Offline
Family Member
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jul 10, 2004 3:00 pm
Posts: 93
Location: Minnesota, USA
Check out www.eniva.com
I've been using there VIBE product along with some others since October and with the combination with LDN I have felt much better than I did 6 months ago. Small steps, as in various items are starting to get somewhat better. PM me and I can give you some contact info. Listen to a 15 minute phone presentation. 1-888-363-9480 it's a toll free number.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 11:27 am 
Offline
Family Elder
User avatar

Joined: Sat Sep 25, 2004 3:00 pm
Posts: 240
Location: Bristol, England
Ibuprofen seems like a good bet

Quote:
Some, but not all, nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory agents (indomethacin and ibuprofen in particular) also have activating effects on PPARgamma. DISCUSSION AND CONCLUSIONS: These observations suggest on the one hand a role for PPARgamma-activating drugs in the treatment of chronic neuroinflammatory diseases-as shown for a patient with secondary progressive multiple sclerosis by Pershadsingh et al.


Quote:
We have developed quantitative in vitro assays for measuring neurotoxicity of microglia or other mononuclear phagocytes. Neuronal like SH-SY5Y cells are cultured in supernatants from activated cells of the human monocytic THP-1 line and their survival is followed. Respiratory burst is directly measured on the activated cells. We tested inhibitors of the cyclooxygenase (COX) or the 5-lipoxygenase (5-LOX) pathways as possible neuroprotective agents. The COX pathway generates inflammatory prostaglandins, while the 5-LOX pathway generates inflammatory leukotrienes. We found that inhibitors of both these pathways suppressed neurotoxicity in a dose-dependent fashion. They included the COX-1 inhibitor indomethacin; the COX-2 inhibitor NS-398; the mixed COX-1/COX-2 inhibitor ibuprofen; the nitric oxide (NO) derivatives of indomethacin, ibuprofen and flurbiprofen; the 5-LOX inhibitor REV 5901; and the 5-LOX activating protein (FLAP) inhibitor MK-886. The FLAP inhibitor also reduced respiratory burst activity in a more potent manner than indomethacin. Combinations of COX and 5-LOX inhibitors were more effective than single inhibitors. The data suggest that both COX inhibitors and 5-LOX inhibitors may be neuroprotective in vivo by suppressing toxic actions of microglia/macrophages, and that combinations of the two might have greater therapeutic potential than single inhibitors of either class


I really have this thing with the microglia :wink:

Robin


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 12:37 pm 
Offline
Contributing Author
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jun 19, 2004 3:00 pm
Posts: 1040
Location: Tennessee
Robin,

That's like my "thing" with norepinephrine! HAH!

SammyJo, the "sodium density" that I referred to isn't directly related to "salt". It's regarding ions and the ion channels between neurons - electrical impulses, etc. Difficult to explain, but salt "intake" isn't what I'm referring to. It's like "calcium influx". It's not directly related to your dietary intake of calcium at all. It is confusing, though, that they use the same words in biology and physiology, isn't it?

Green tea, antioxidants, Vitamin E, gingko biloba, grapeseed, etc. etc. (as far supplements go) all provide various types of neuroprotection. You can do an internet search and find many types of things (even eating fruit) that helps with neuroprotection. I have to say that "vibe" product that adjanimals referred to just now (I just went and took a peek) goes along with the items I just mentioned! (How coincidental was that?)

Deb


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 4:58 am 
Offline
Family Elder
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jul 11, 2004 3:00 pm
Posts: 288
Location: England
Best bet diet folk offer this list:

http://www.direct-ms.org/supplements.html

I quite like this site but I cant do sat-fat free, diary free, gluten free and legume free all at the same time!

_________________
John
I am what I am


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 2:38 pm 
Offline
Family Elder
User avatar

Joined: Wed Aug 11, 2004 3:00 pm
Posts: 1610
This new book, co-authored by Ray Kurzweil, might have some interesting things to say about neuroprotection...I haven't read it yet mind you...

http://fantastic-voyage.net/


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 4:37 pm 
Offline
Family Elder
User avatar

Joined: Sun Nov 07, 2004 4:00 pm
Posts: 1228
Location: Colorado
Supplements / COX-2 inhibitor

In a prior post from Robin she quotes information about COX-1 and COX-2 inhibitors. Zyflamend (patent pending) is a natural supplement which is advertised as a COX-2 inhibitor to relieve the inflammation of arthritis. It was recommended to me for the relieve of sinus pain and headache (this was before I knew of my MS dx) My husband and I have been taking for about five years. He was diagnosed with a form of Lupus about twenty years ago. Has the Zyflamend helped with the MS or the Lupus? - I do not know - I do know that neither one of us has arthritis (and we are 61 years of age), my sinus problems have not gone away, but they are not as troublesome. You can get more information by searching on the word "Zyflamend" - pick your site as there are a few.

Another note about Zyflamend - there are articles which reference its use for prostrate cancer (Columbia University has completed research) and also to replace the arthritis drugs such as Voix.

Sharon

edit: I just realized there is another "Sharon" who posts - I do not want to confuse anyone, so henceforth I will sign off as SharonR.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 3:56 am 
Offline
Family Elder
User avatar

Joined: Sat Sep 25, 2004 3:00 pm
Posts: 240
Location: Bristol, England
Just a quick reply...

The she is a he! :wink:

Don't worry Sharon, no offence taken. Robin is a unisex name, although it appears in the UK to be predominantly used for males whereas in the US it appears to be mostly females.

Robin


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 7:03 am 
Offline
Contributing Author
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jun 19, 2004 3:00 pm
Posts: 1040
Location: Tennessee
Oh...good! NOW I know for sure, Robin! (Well, I can put away the coin I've been flipping all this time as to whether you were male or female.)

How have I done keeping my responses to you non-gender specific? :lol:

Deb


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 7:26 am 
Offline
Family Elder
User avatar

Joined: Sat Sep 25, 2004 3:00 pm
Posts: 240
Location: Bristol, England
You did very well Deb.. :lol:


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 10 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ]


Related topics
 Topics   Author   Replies   Views   Last post 
There are no new unread posts for this topic. Supplements

[ Go to pageGo to page: 1, 2 ]

Albhoy

16

2611

Wed Aug 09, 2006 6:50 am

Chris55 View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. Supplements

scoobyjude

8

1163

Mon Jan 08, 2007 7:47 pm

jimmylegs View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. Diet and Supplements in MS: A Reasonable Approach

Melody

6

1807

Mon Jun 05, 2006 6:02 am

jimmylegs View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. How much are spending on supplements and medication a month?

Abe

12

1636

Fri Aug 08, 2008 10:42 am

gwa View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. Fiber supplements (psyllium) and paleo diet

donnarose60

1

505

Mon Oct 29, 2012 2:10 pm

jimmylegs View the latest post

 


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to: