OK, so you obviously have a contact with a shovel, and knowledge of the postal system. Is there somewhere these guys advertise / sell their product on the web?Jasper wrote:We learned recently that it is legal to ship treatment using courier services like FedEx.
At those price differentials, I might buy em a trip to Africa, where they may meet and bring some REAL parasitic friends from.Jasper wrote:Because of the courier rates (I don't think anyone told them fuel prices have fallen) shipping domestically within the USA is $100.00 and internationally is $150.00.
I have had Goats Serum (ie Aimspro) shipped from the UK on Dry Ice. This sounds all possible.Jasper wrote:Although we have not yet found a country where this is forbidden since it is governed by a treaty there may be countries for which this is not possible.
hmmmm... I would hate to think of home storage for pig worms...Jasper wrote:Essentially this option is the same as multi-dose therapy but payment is tied to the delivery of each dose and is therefore more manageable.
again, do they have a web site, or is this all done in seedy bars and backrooms?Jasper wrote:We also have more treatment options for various diseases which we have developed
What I was subtly referring to wasLyon wrote:I have no idea what you're referring to when you mention "the "organic" early childhood".
and yes I understand they say they sterilize it, and I can get the idea how they would be "better", but, as you say, this is "abhorrent". Especially coming from a country with Mexico's medical reputations.WormTherapy + wrote:The hookworm ova are incubated in growth medium that includes human feces. This is required to ensure that the hookworm are robust and healthy.
Bob, I think you know I am actually not a supporter of the "Hygiene Hypothesises", in its current form, however, I think medicine has a long way to go before they may find a better or actual solution.Lyon wrote:don't lose interest in the science if you have a genuine interest in the events which led to the onset of immune dysfunctions in modern society.
My friend did not take that treatment option, but the dr obviously had others that did. From the humerus explanation I got, he had "donors" ready ...um...er ... to go .Lyon wrote:Obviously I'm not in a position to badmouth anyone else's "treatment" of choice ...
Lets see if I can make my OPINION clearer.Lyon wrote:I'm never completely sure of your opinion on this subject in addition to the fact that when we discuss the "Hygiene Hypothesis"
My belief is No, they are not the cause, but were "hiding" the issues.Lyon wrote:1. "is the loss of evolved conditions the CAUSE of immune dysfunction?"
I believe they may offer benefit, and the evidence I have read hints strongly at this possibility. But cure is a big stretch, at this early stage.Lyon wrote:2. "does adding certain aspects of evolutionary normal conditions after disease onset and in adulthood offer the possibility of benefit? Of a Cure?"
And that's really were we significantly part company. I believe there is another "fault", that the worms hid from us. ie they are ALMOST like a symptom treatment.Lyon wrote:I'm convinced that the evidence is conclusive that "loss of evolutionary normal conditions" was the main factor leading to immune dysfunction in modern society.
ooooo... that will need a definition of "cures" AND "horizon"Lyon wrote:I find that sad in a way but I'm also convinced that "cures" are on the horizon which don't happen to have any relationship to the original cause of MS.
Take intestinal flora away, most if not 100% of people will die. Take the worms away, 1 in 1000 get a non terminal condition. I see a HUGE difference and therefore I see them as VERY DIFFERENT issues.Lyon wrote:Perhaps a way to understand the situation is considering the well known fact that we would soon starve if we weren't aided by bacteria to help us digest our food. I don't need to tell you that the bacteria aren't literally 'human' but their assistance is now part of what is necessary to keep humans alive. Were humans originally created with the need for this help from bacteria or did we eventually evolve to hand that responsibility to the bacteria due to the fact that they were always present and doing it anyway and it was a waste of effort for us to maintain the ability? Who knows and who cares. What is....is and any other evidence was long ago lost to history.
Huh? That sounds like a backhander, hidden as a compliment. Was that what you were aiming for?Lyon wrote:Gosh, it's a shame that you either don't understand or disagree because I think you've explained the situation perfectly to help others understand.
Everyone, "some" a lot of non scientific words are being used here? Are you saying that in non developed countries there are none?Lyon wrote:A much more accurate picture is that in the developed populations almost everyone is affected by allergy and/or asthma and/or autoimmunity to some degree.
Its those damn tree's that make it so hard to see the forest behind them.Lyon wrote:So if anyone is hung up on the question "why doesn't everyone have MS?" they need to stand farther back from the tree and take notice of the forest.
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