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Everyone is getting on the worm bandwagon. This article includes a nice image of Lyon's lady wife.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7856095.stm

OK Bob, I should have known sooner or later your theory would prove itself. I've been having a bitch of a time trying to get LDN through proper channels, I can't wait to ask my Doc for worms!
Lars

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OK, so you obviously have a contact with a shovel, and knowledge of the postal system. Is there somewhere these guys advertise / sell their product on the web?

At those price differentials, I might buy em a trip to Africa, where they may meet and bring some REAL parasitic friends from.

I have had Goats Serum (ie Aimspro) shipped from the UK on Dry Ice. This sounds all possible.

hmmmm... I would hate to think of home storage for pig worms...

again, do they have a web site, or is this all done in seedy bars and backrooms?

As far as the article goes, I think the worm sales people need someone in PR to push out some more friendly photos. This is truly "A face only a mother could love." and surprising enough, lyon...

coochi-cooochi-koo, whos a pretty boy then

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I looked at their web site, there was no mention in their products page, of swine whip worm. At this stage, I would only consider a parasite with a known (short) lifespan, and less known side-effects.

It also concerned me they were going for the "organic" early childhood on these worms, with human faeces in the mix. I'm sorry, but from a place like Mexico, I would not be ordering this mix.

ps: I had to edit the above post with text of what went through my head every time I see the worm photo.

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What I was subtly referring to was and yes I understand they say they sterilize it, and I can get the idea how they would be "better", but, as you say, this is "abhorrent". Especially coming from a country with Mexico's medical reputations.

A few years ago, a close friend of mine suffering from IBS for many years, saw a well respected specialist. This Dr actually proposed his unapproved treatment of "faeces transplant". My advice to the friend plays back in my own head. In short, it sounds like it would work, but if he does not know enough to know exactly what is needed to be transplanted from the pile of poo (ie separate out the thing or substance that does the healing), then he does not know enough to perform the procedure (ie know what else could happen etc etc etc). Yes, this litmus test is a sliding scale applied by an individual...

Bob, I think you know I am actually not a supporter of the "Hygiene Hypothesises", in its current form, however, I think medicine has a long way to go before they may find a better or actual solution.

Therefore, I see helminth treatment as a possibility till something better comes along, most likely not in our lifetime.

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My friend did not take that treatment option, but the dr obviously had others that did. From the humerus explanation I got, he had "donors" ready ...um...er ... to go .

Lets see if I can make my OPINION clearer.

My belief is No, they are not the cause, but were "hiding" the issues.

I believe they may offer benefit, and the evidence I have read hints strongly at this possibility. But cure is a big stretch, at this early stage.

And that's really were we significantly part company. I believe there is another "fault", that the worms hid from us. ie they are ALMOST like a symptom treatment.

ooooo... that will need a definition of "cures" AND "horizon"

And I'm sure you understand, other people think the same of any hygiene hypothesis results.

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Take intestinal flora away, most if not 100% of people will die. Take the worms away, 1 in 1000 get a non terminal condition. I see a HUGE difference and therefore I see them as VERY DIFFERENT issues.

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Huh? That sounds like a backhander, hidden as a compliment. Was that what you were aiming for?

Please explain to me how I have misunderstood the point (if I had?) you were making with you're example about intestinal flora, please.

Everyone, "some" a lot of non scientific words are being used here? Are you saying that in non developed countries there are none?

MAYBE to some degree, not 100%, and definitely not to the point of distraction; I personally would expect with a complex organisms that there will always be this case, from evolutionary attempts to protect the organism (if you believe in evolution, which would be hard not to while discussing the hygiene hypotheses); especially now that we do not weed out the "weak" as effectively as we have historically. If the numbers were converted to confidence intervals etc, I would HAZARD a guess, that they would be in the range of unacceptable, as compared to what we expect from other theory's and propositions in peer reviewed articles.

Its those damn tree's that make it so hard to see the forest behind them.

The "devil" is in the detail. I look at it scientifically, in detail, not in broad sweeps. I think that we may have removed the infection before we had something to cover it 100%, but in a "forest" view, it was for the best for humankind; maybe not me in particular with MS, but I am the 1 in 1000 (or whatever the odds are).