Does head injury end up as MS later on? BBB Damages?

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Does head injury end up as MS later on? BBB Damages?

Postby vtiem » Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:39 am

I was wondering how many people with MS had suffered some sort of trauma to the head in their lives? I also was wondering if severe stress overload for a prolonged time causes the body not to compensate for the old injury and there you go. I had a very bad car accident when I was 21, woke up with partial amnesia-VERY weird. My head hit the windshield as my car went through a buildings store front window. And no, of course no seat belt. But then everything seemed to be OK after a while. Then Many years later I'm under emotional stress that just kept on to the point that it felt normal. Their were signs my body was giving out I believe, some hair loss- some MS signals that would mysteriously then go away.

If the Blood brain barrier is the culprit behind the MS symptoms-doesn't it make sense if this was damaged that the body has to work 3 times as hard to try an correct the problems it causes. Then if crital amounts of stress is added into the mix with no letting up the body has to give at some point. I just wonder if this is common? I'd love to hear from others to find out if their story has any similarities. Also any thoughts on CLOSING the BBB???
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Postby skydog » Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:25 pm

Often wondered that myself. Twice I have had bad concussions, once at age twenty and then a severe one at thirty four. Both times lost I total recall of the day and events before the injury. Now the big thing for me was a stressful twelve year marriage coupled with a twenty four seven lifestyle. Felt like my head was going to explode most of the time. Yes you do get to where it almost feels normal. I have now remarried to the most wonderful women and life is good, but the past left me with MS. Tough to turn back time... Enjoy life, Appreciate what you do have. Live in the moment its all you truly have. Any one else have the answers to vtiem's ?'s Peace Mark
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well thats 2 of us...any one else? Im really curious..

Postby vtiem » Mon Apr 20, 2009 5:08 pm

Thanks for the reply Mark-I actually have pulled back from my business and started doing things other than work to let some of the stress go. Still working on it but it really does seem to make a difference. The loss of recall is interesting-thats basically what amnesia is. I did get it all back...at least I think I did lol. Glad to hear things are less stress full for you as well.

What types of things do you to help the ms? My routine is crazy but I swear by it...
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Postby jimmylegs » Mon Apr 20, 2009 5:45 pm

i had a bad diet for 15 years, lots of stress all my life, and to cap it all off i had a travel vaccine and finally on jan 21 2006 a wicked headsmash snowboarding without helmet.. feb 1 2006 i had an ms diagnosis. there's only so much abuse a body can take!
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Postby jimmylegs » Mon Apr 20, 2009 5:47 pm

also from my bad diet i was terribly zinc deficient. fixed it now. lots of ms-ers have relatively low zinc. zinc is important in the maintenance of bbb integrity.
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Postby vtiem » Mon Apr 20, 2009 5:51 pm

They have me on major zinc, as well as fatty acids. Also off of dairy, sugar, yeast and all preservitives. All this stuff can now pass through the bbb and cause alot of the numbness and spasms. I swear by it... I find it sooo interesting that so many people it seems have had major head tramua at some point....Has there been stduies on this that anyone knows about??
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Postby jimmylegs » Mon Apr 20, 2009 6:31 pm

i haven't checked google scholar's opinion on the matter, but as far as i know there isn't anything "statistically significant" about head trauma and ms. sure it doesn't help, sure in my case it seems to have been the straw that broke the camel's back, but there are so many other possible contributors - i guess not every ms patient has to have them all, just enough of them for their system to go off the rails.
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Postby cheerleader » Mon Apr 20, 2009 6:40 pm

Here's a good paper listing research that links stress/trauma to MS...

http://www.braininjury.com/multiplesclerosis.html

I know Lars has had his head bonked as a rodeo rider. My Jeff's whacked his head repeatedly thruout his life since he has no peripheral vision, and walks into stuff (metal light poles, street signs, door jams, other people) with regularity. My pet name for him is Harry Headwound (SNL, anyone?)

Like JL says, everyone has a different recipe. My take on it is that the cerebral endothelium is weakened by a unique combo for each MS patient...whether it includes vaccines, toxins, stress, head trauma, viruses, lack of vit. D....each of these items is linked to endothelial disfunction and a change in nitric oxide. Correcting these issues with antioxidants, proteolytic enzymes, good nutrition, exercise, and stress reduction can return nitric oxide balance, help the BBB heal, and maybe keep MS in remission.
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Postby jimmylegs » Mon Apr 20, 2009 6:48 pm

good find cheer.
also good that they have you on zinc, v. how much are you taking per day?
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Postby vtiem » Tue Apr 21, 2009 3:11 am

All this is good stuff. Thanks AC. I haven't seen anything on endothelial disfunction and a change in nitric oxide--I'll have to look into that as well. I do agree with you that its a mix of things in different order that ends up all up in the same place.

I go to a "wellness center" Hoslistic and accupunture and chiro-they also do all the suppliments. 3x a day 3 pills or 10 drops each. The zinc is two different pills Id have to look for exact name and dose. One is a zinc liver chelate and the other is just a strong basic zinc. Iam also on all these liquid suppliments. I swear by them :)
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Postby Lyon » Tue Apr 21, 2009 7:09 pm

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Postby vtiem » Wed Apr 22, 2009 2:48 am

Thanks for the article--I've seen a few studies published like this as well but I have also googled and found studies saying its inconclusive or that it is probable. In otherwords...they don't know :S Has your wife ever had a head/neck injury of any kind??
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Postby Lyon » Wed Apr 22, 2009 2:59 am

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Postby vtiem » Wed Apr 22, 2009 3:17 am

so far every person I have talked to with ms has had something like that..but I wonder how that compares to general population... I have a new neuro I meet with in 2 weeks that is sapposed to be really into research for MS..well see what his thoughts are. Thanks for your help!
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