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Postby MSBOB » Sun Apr 10, 2011 12:28 am

http://www.sage-hindawi.com/journals/ad/2010/249842/

I found this article, and it was really well put together.

I kind of wanted to start a thread that had similar broad level overviews of supplements for MS like this one I found. It would be very helpful if some of you could share. My kitchen cabinets are beginning to look like a drugstore curiosities!
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Postby NHE » Sun Apr 10, 2011 4:57 am

MSBOB wrote:http://www.sage-hindawi.com/journals/ad/2010/249842/

I found this article, and it was really well put together.

I kind of wanted to start a thread that had similar broad level overviews of supplements for MS like this one I found. It would be very helpful if some of you could share. My kitchen cabinets are beginning to look like a drugstore curiosities!


That's looks like a great article. Thanks for posting it.


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Postby jimmylegs » Sun Apr 10, 2011 6:57 am

great stuff!
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Postby Lainie » Wed Apr 13, 2011 11:50 am

Good articles, everyone. Here's another:

"Turmeric May Fight Multiple Sclerosis":
http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=news&dbid=43
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Postby MSBOB » Wed Apr 13, 2011 9:06 pm

Jimmyleggs,

I appreciate your signature tag:

www.direct-ms.org/supplements.html
www.msrc.co.uk/index.cfm?fuseaction=show&pageid=772
www.townsendletter.com/Klenner/klenner4.htm
www.acu-cell.com/acn.html
www.whfoods.com
www.nutritiondata.com


I found this overview of herbs, but I am skeptical about a lot of it. I have read a little about scullcap on the other threads though. Curcumin sounds sounds really promising. I am planning on adding Curcumin to a rotational regimen with other polyphenols, because I don't know about taking a whole bunch of stuff all the time... except for NAC, Lipoic Acid, vit D, multivit, and omega 3s.

Have you heard of any type of polyphenol calendar schedule? Ex: lycopene two days, quercitin two days, resveratol two days, curcumin two days, green tea two days, milk thistle two days, ect. Do you think that would work at all?

http://www.steadyhealth.com/about/herbs ... ation.html

There are several useful herbal medicines:
- Damiana: The herb treats nervous or muscular debility, especially if it’s caused by trauma and great exertion.
- Valerian Root: Valium is derived from valerian root, so if nerves are irritated from trauma or any sort of injury, valerian herb can sooth it and ease nerve pain. This is a herb that sooths already irritated nerves.
-Wood Betony: Calms down the nerves. When raw inflamed nerves do not heal properly, nerve pain creates tension and unease in the nearby muscles.
-Black Cohosh: Used as an aid in metabolism due to its sedative components of valerian that has simulative characteristics. It is recommended to have both at the same time.
- Lobelia: The herb eases inflamed and agitated nerves, in some cases of injury. It is a treatment used to relax and smooth muscles. Also, it has been used to decrease muscle convulsions.
- Blue Vervain: A herb used to regenerate and strengthen system of nerves by relieving stress and tension.
- Gotu Kola: Gotu Kola sedates the central nervous system.
-Scullcap: It supports, strengthens and relieves after acute or chronic diseases that attacks nerves.
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Postby jimmylegs » Thu Apr 14, 2011 6:37 am

hi bob thanks glad you like those :)

i'm afraid to say that although i have long experience with herbals, interned at an herbal apothecary, teach native plant medicine routinely, and my thesis paper is based on the medicinal properties of native plants - when it comes to my own health i'm all about the nutrients.

i eat curry and feel good about the curcumin in it when i do, but i don't have a curcumin pill in my dosette. my multivitamin/mineral has a bunch of herbal stuff in it but if it didn't i wouldn't mind.

i feel like if you use herbs to treat a symptom, when it's the result of a nutritional deficit, then it's basically a band-aid solution. for example if someone uses an herbal remedy for spasticity but does not address a magnesium problem, then they still have to deal with all the other diverse consequences of magnesium deficiency, even though the spasticity might have been lessened temporarily by the herb.

because i feel that nutrition is more basic to health, i can't really give an opinion on rotation for herbal therapies. and i can tell you that of herbs i have tried, gingko was awesome for my brain, and valerian kills me. even a half dose of valerian will put me to bed for the night and the next day and then some. i can't handle it!

oh and speaking of band-aid solutions, i just remembered the other day at work we had grade 1s (not the usual thing we get more gr3s and 6s) and in both gr1 groups we got injuries. one little guy in my group managed to cut the side of his hand and the teacher couldn't find a band-aid in her first aid kit. i asked the teacher if she thought it would be okay to use 'nature's first aid' and got the green light. i rounded up the kids and told them we were going on medicine quest and i wanted them to look for a tiny green plant with a leaf that looks like a feather. we found some, crushed it up to release the juices, then applied the crushed leaves and pressure to the cut. that particular plant has coagulant phytochemicals. it's quite effective at stopping bleeding.

so in that scenario herbs definitely beat nutrition - but for follow up i wouldn't just keep rotating the poultice - i would make sure the kid's zinc status was optimal to support wound healing.
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Postby MSBOB » Thu Apr 14, 2011 6:24 pm

Thanks. You got a great mind on you, jimmylegs.

I was pondering this thread today, and all the super-foods that are out there. I look at myself and I have lost somewhere around 15 pounds since January. It's not intentional, but it is the result of cutting out a lot of bad fats. Then I read about these super-foods and run out after supplements when really need to start eating healthy amounts of good food that contain these things and get my weight up again.

I don't want to be on Rebif anymore and its only been a month or so. I don't want Copaxone or Tysabri. Everything else is all in phase III and I can't even get it if it were convincing. What I do want is the confidence to say, "yes, this is a better decision and I will be better off for making it."

I understand that cysteine-zinc disruption by free radicals creates MMP-9, which opens the BBB. Interesting anyway. I am not sure how it all works yet.
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Postby jimmylegs » Thu Apr 14, 2011 8:03 pm

awww, shucks :)
bob, which bad fats did you cut?
i will try a review re cysteine, free rads,mmp-9 and bbb.. then will relay :)
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Postby MSBOB » Thu Apr 14, 2011 10:44 pm

I kicked out almost all animal fats (arachidonic acid), saturated fats, hydrogenated oils, partially hydrogenated oils, highly processed oils, the usual bad guys on the fat world. Adding in more omega 3s, some monounaturated fats, and that's about it. Coconut oils are a whole other topic I care not to discuss here.

I need a high calorie menu to choose from. Fruits, veggies and lean meat are not cutting it. I eat nuts too, but I get kind of sick of them.
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Postby jimmylegs » Fri Apr 15, 2011 5:18 am

oily fish? avocados? gotta run more later :)
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Postby jimmylegs » Fri Apr 15, 2011 1:21 pm

what lean meats are you having? what does a typical breakfast lunch dinner and snack look like for you?
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Postby MSBOB » Sat Apr 16, 2011 3:14 pm

I posted back, but it disappeared. Anyway, I eat fish and chicken mostly for high quality protein. I am going to start eating more eggs regardless of the fat. I think that will help.

http://www.enzim.hu/~lbarna/articles/16611144.pdf

I posted this link about additional polyphenols and MMP inhibitors. It goes on about some of the synthetic MMP inhibitors inspired by natural ones. Interesting read anyway.

This next article is a remarkable overview of zinc. Thanks for the insight on zinc, jimmylegs. I never gave it much thought to look at what zinc does and how important it is. I came across this article and it is pretty cool.

http://www.nature.com/icb/journal/v79/n ... 0125a.html
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Postby jimmylegs » Sat Apr 16, 2011 5:36 pm

i'll look at this in more detail later bob - great find that zinc article.

i had a quick scan and it looks like a really excellent backgrounder that details the far-ranging effects of zinc on various body systems. sweet :)
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Postby jimmylegs » Sun Apr 17, 2011 6:51 am

heya bob, do you like beef tenderloin?

best bet diet says one serving red meat per week:

"Reduce
A.Foods that contain saturated fat. Eat red meat (lean cuts) only once a week."

check out best dietary zinc sources per 'world's healthiest foods' site:
http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tnam ... t&dbid=115

mmmmmmmmmm tenderloiinnnn :D hehehe

also from best bet:

"Increase
A.Eat skinless chicken breast, game meat and fish for protein content."

know any hunters? any elk or other venison farms or similar close to you?
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Postby MSBOB » Sun Apr 17, 2011 12:11 pm

Tenderloin sounds wonderful! A nice cut the size of a deck of playing cards is a little sad, but I will take it! I am used to steaks the size of my head. I am ok with liver, too. I will take my Centrum Silver and order off the senior menu and wash it down with prune juice. Then I will go play Bridge and talk about how times have changed. ;)

Jimmylegs,

I appreciate your taking the time with me, and being on this site. I was a little wacky at first coming on here, and I apologize if I may have been not as kind to you or some of the others. I didn't understand. You are a fine human being. Thank you! (that's not the Rebif talking)
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