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Postby RuSmolikova » Wed Apr 15, 2009 12:52 am

Lyon wrote:...maybe you'll find it interesting reading https://www.msu.edu/~lyonro/friendorfoe.pdf

Additionally, a lot of interesting articles in this issue of Immunology and it seems to be open access http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/jour ... 3095/issue


Thanks a lot!
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Postby patientx » Wed Apr 15, 2009 7:12 am

Lyon wrote:
patientx wrote: If the occurrence of MS did coincide with the elimination of malaria, then maybe JL is on to something, that it's related to DDT use. Of course, if new cases of MS are being reported, then either the DDT would have had to cause a genetic change in the previous generation, or the DDT is still in the environment.
Maybe so, but we are still left with the fact that Muller didn't discover DDT until 1939 and in most times and places the startling increase in MS incidence started long before the invention and use of DDT.


Even so, DDT may be just one of the toxic agents that causes or kicks off the disease process.
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Postby jimmylegs » Thu Apr 16, 2009 5:44 am

agree px, it could have been triggered by other things previous, possibly like the mining, whatever date that started up, and then got ramped up after ddt, plus whatever other local factors could have been involved..
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Postby patientx » Thu Apr 16, 2009 9:15 am

Hey Jimmy,

I don't know when the rise of MS started, but industrial chemicals started being used in earnest late 1800's, early 1900's. Lead was added to gasoline in the 1910's, and was used until the 1970's after it was found this wasn't such a good thing.

Just a far-flung idea - I don't have anything that says MS might be caused by a chemical agent.
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Postby Wonderfulworld » Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:26 am

Sure lead has been in our food chain for far longer than 1800's - more like centuries...I know that in the middle ages lead was used extensively in white face powder fashionable amongst women in western europe and was added (along with mercury) to "medicines".
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Postby jimmylegs » Fri Apr 17, 2009 12:46 pm

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Postby skydog » Fri Apr 17, 2009 1:32 pm

Lead !!! Should be dead from all that I have been exposed too. Lead split shot fishing weights, Bite too crimp on the fishing line. The leaded gasoline we siphoned out of any unlocked fuel tank too keep our motorcycles going. The lead paint scraped off boats before repainting with a leaded paint. Get the lead out. Tough to do... My levels were off the chart when I first tested for metals. Now trying to purge the system with eating good chelating greens like chlorella and cilantro. Planting the bigger garden... Mark Hey JL I have been trying to find a good source of supplements. Vitamin d in a larger doss. also r- alphalopoic acid that is in the liquid form. Need help... One of the problems with living in the boonies. closest nutrition center is F myers and not much help for quality I want.
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Postby gainsbourg » Fri Apr 17, 2009 1:46 pm

I find this MS cluster in Sardinia very interesting. I wonder if it has anything to do with the characteristics of the Sardinian people?

Also I found this mentioned in a study abstract about herpes virus in Sardinia:

High prevalence of human herpes virus type 8 HHV-8 infection has been reported on the island of Sardinia.


http://eprints.uniss.it/887/

I couldn't track down the whole article

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Postby jimmylegs » Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:28 pm

omgosh mark, that's a whole lotta lead
what about ordering some good quality stuff off the interweb?
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Postby skydog » Fri Apr 17, 2009 6:23 pm

Forgot all about the lead pellets in the ducks and pheasant I have shot and eaten, scary when you look back on all the ways we have picked up bad stuff along the way. DDT was used on my grandfathers farm. I was his shadow growing up. Wonder what that did ? Web shopping for supplements has been mind boggling, so many choices of suppliers. How do you know which ones to trust for quality ? Mark
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Postby jimmylegs » Fri Apr 17, 2009 6:53 pm

if you find some specific things that look okay to you, post the link and i can check it out, others might chime in also.

btw, i don't find anything out there from the quickest of google searches, linking lead poisoning and ms.
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Postby mommasan » Wed Apr 22, 2009 6:58 am

Back to the D thread. Dr. Kerr looked at me (I am about as pale as you can be and not be albino) at my last visit and said that without question, my D levels were deficient. They had never seen anyone with MS with adequate levels without very high supplementation. I've been taking 1000 i.u. per day for about 3 years and don't get much sunlight. He prescribed 50,000 i.u. for 10 days with 50,000 1/week thereafter. He said to take it before my levels were tested.

Frankly, the D was making me feel sick, nauseaus and loopy, but I took it. Fastforward 3 weeks after my test results came in...Dr. Kerr's nurse called and said she had never seen this in an MS patient. My levels were too high- 166. She said not to continue with the D, and to get retested in 3 months.

So, because of my experience, I would have to suggest that everyone get their levels checked before supplementing with D.
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Postby Lyon » Wed Apr 22, 2009 8:57 am

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Postby jimmylegs » Wed Apr 22, 2009 12:42 pm

166 is not too high *unless* you have hypercalcemia to go with it.
i could find the research to back that up in short order if anyone is interested.
250, that's probably getting too high and might cause concerns about hypercalcemia.
i have a paper that documents people up around 500, even up over 1000, those are the ones that have the serious excess calcium issues.
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Postby mommasan » Wed Apr 22, 2009 12:42 pm

I've been wondering that myself.
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