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Drank my first Natural Calm Rasberry Lemon to night, It was not bad at all. VERY REFRESHING AND LIGHT. I may try to do 2 of then tomorroro
I anyone needs to try some I have the little single serve sizes of Natural alm. Message me and I will send you a packet to try.

It's good stuff.

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It seemed logical to add these tidbits to a thread already dealing wth magnesium.

With the information and urging from jimmylegs, I added magnesium to my supplements some time ago. Nevertheless, any mention of magnesium gets my attention.

Last month, on the Dr. Oz program, one topic was constipation. He suggested a person put a ground-up magnesium pill in a glass of orange juice, drink it, and solve the problem!

Today on his program one of the topics was urinary incontinence. In addition to suggesting Kegel exercises to strengthen the muscles controlling the urethra, Dr. Oz mentioned again that magnesium (even in the form of pumpkin seeds -- pepitos) was helpful. In fact, at the end of the program he reiterated that magnesium was necessary for healthy muscles.

Perhaps this information could help someone who has problems in these areas.


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Additional info on magnesium: Epsom salt is MgSO4·7H2O and is 9.86% magnesium by weight. If you have a sensitive kitchen scale that measures in grams, you could weigh out 10 tablespoons and then figure out how much epsom salt, i.e., what volume, you would need to get 200 mg for example. I haven't had any problems with doses of epsom salt providing up to 400 mg of magnesium dissolved in a glass of water. However, it has been reported to have a laxative effect so avoid large doses.

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wonderful thread! Thanks for reviving it, Lyndacarol! Jeff's benefited from his evening dose of Natural Calm,- Jimmy first suggested mg to us over 2 years ago as an anti-spasm treatment. Mg is has kept spasms at bay, kept him regular, aided sleep- but there are other benefits, like acting as a natural statin, reducing C-reactive protein (CRP)-wanted to see if I could find more recent research on the endothelial benefits of mg-

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In a study by our research group of a representative sample of individuals in the US [16], adults who consumed < 50% of the RDA of magnesium were found to be more likely to have elevated CRP than adults who consumed ≥ RDA (OR = 1.75; 95% CI = 1.08-2.87). Adults over age 40 with a BMI > 25 and less than half of the magnesium RDA were even more likely to have elevated CRP (OR = 2.24; 95% CI = 1.13-4.46). These results were maintained after controlling for demographic and cardiovascular risk factors. In a second cross-sectional study, we found that magnesium supplementation lowers the likelihood of elevated CRP in people with low dietary magnesium intake by 22% [17]. This observation suggests that not only does magnesium deficiency increase inflammation, but that magnesium supplementation may be a useful strategy for reduction of inflammation, especially in people with low levels of magnesium content from foods in the diet. The study also provides important epidemiologic support for the idea that it is the magnesium itself, rather than some other component of foods high in magnesium, that is responsible for the decreased likelihood of elevated CRP.


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I believe we need to be careful when taking the statement "acting like a statin". Statins main prescription useage is as a cholesterol lowering medication. Therefore, I would hazard a guess, its this specific effect that medical people are specifically referring to.

There has been research that implies Statins benefit to MS has been because of lowering the permeability of the BBB. So, I would not expect that something said to have a "Statin like" effects, to necessarily work for MS in a similar manner; I would simply expect it to lower cholesterol.

I take 80mg Lipitor / day (and its been the best for my daily MS managements, I think), and I also take Mg Citrate to minimise any restless leg symptoms.

Another way to look at it, is that although Statins may have an Mg like effect in lowering cholesterol, the Lipitor does not have an Mg Citrate like effect at lowering restless leg symptoms.

NB: I also understand that low saturated fat diets are associated with MS diets, but that is a different path of modality.
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Hi,

I used to take Magnesium oxide (500mg daily) but then ;learnt m oxide is not well absorbed by the body.

So i now take Magnesium Citrate as it is meant to be the best absorbed form of magnesium.

I also take 600mg of Calcium twice daily.

But on the M Citrate label it says:


One vegicap typically provides:

Content:
Magnesium Citrate
500mg
(Elemental Magnesium
80mg)

This slightly confuses me, if i take 2 a day, am i taking 1000mg of Magnesium a day, or just 160mg?

As im taking 1200mg of Calcium daily, i need to be taking at least 600mg of Magnesium.

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adamt wrote:
But on the M Citrate label it says:


One vegicap typically provides:

Content:
Magnesium Citrate
500mg
(Elemental Magnesium
80mg)

This slightly confuses me, if i take 2 a day, am i taking 1000mg of Magnesium a day, or just 160mg?


The tablets are correctly labeled, 500 mg of magnesium citrate provides 80 mg of magnesium.

For a more detailed explanation, magnesium citrate has the molecular formula of Mg3(C6H5O7)2. There are 3 moles of magnesium for every 2 moles of citrate (moles are the way chemists count molecules, they are like a baker's dozen, the actual number is 6.022x10^23 things per mole, things usually being either atoms or molecules). Therefore, for each mole of magnesium citrate there will be 72.92 g of magnesium and 378.22 g of citrate. The magnesium content will be 16.16% weight of the total. This figure is in agreement with the labeling on your tablets. In effect, 80 mg of magnesium is 16% of the total 500 mg of magnesium citrate.

By the way, the high percentage of citrate should not be a problem. Citrate is actually good for helping to prevent calcium oxalate kidney stones.

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Thanks NHE for the detailed reply

But if im taking 1200mg of Calcium daily, i am told it ise ssential i take 1/2 the amount in Magnesium = 600mg

And based on the actual magnesium content i would only be taking 160mg of magnesium with two 500mg mag citrate capsules.

Or is the mag citrate being 500mgx2 sufficient to take with 1200mg of calcium?

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adamt wrote:
But if im taking 1200mg of Calcium daily, i am told it ise ssential i take 1/2 the amount in Magnesium = 600mg


What form of calcium are you taking? Does it actually supply 1200 mg of calcium or is it something like 1200 mg of calcium carbonate which would provide 480.5 mg of calcium?

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at the end of the day magnesium citrate is not ideal. magnesium glycinate is better. my pills (you take 2 to get 400mg) are great, you can take plenty and it does not send you running to the toilet like mag oxide or mag citrate. however,the product i have does not specify elemental magnesium - i would have to go digging for that info.

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jimmylegs wrote:
at the end of the day magnesium citrate is not ideal. magnesium glycinate is better. my pills (you take 2 to get 400mg) are great, you can take plenty and it does not send you running to the toilet like mag oxide or mag citrate. however,the product i have does not specify elemental magnesium - i would have to go digging for that info.


i see,

i have recently started using magnesium oil, as this is meant to be absorbed well.

I used 5 droplets on each arm, each leg, and on stomach/chest.

I rub the oil in, in the evening.

Would this be the most efficient form of magnesium?
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NHE wrote:

What form of calcium are you taking? Does it actually supply 1200 mg of calcium or is it something like 1200 mg of calcium carbonate which would provide 480.5 mg of calcium?

NHE


i take this calcium product:

http://www.hollandandbarrett.com/vf/labels/004233HB.pdf

Is this a good calcium supplement, or if not could you recommend a different one from that site please?

- i also said in my last post i use magnesium oil on my body, could that replace the need for magnesium tablets?
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hi adamt,

i would need more info to answer your question. simple answer yes you can absorb magnesium thru your skin. in more detail, what form of mag oil? chloride? not 100% sure of the answer but it looks like yes it would absorb... but you have to choose mag oil [chloride (salt)] or tablet [glycinate (sweet)]. don't know enough for a conclusive answer, sry!

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jimmylegs wrote:
at the end of the day magnesium citrate is not ideal. magnesium glycinate is better. my pills (you take 2 to get 400mg) are great, you can take plenty and it does not send you running to the toilet like mag oxide or mag citrate. however,the product i have does not specify elemental magnesium - i would have to go digging for that info.


Magnesium glycinate is chelated with the amino acid glycine. The molecular formula is Mg(C2H4NO2)2·H2O (two glycines plus a water of hydration per magnesium atom) so it is 12.8% magnesium by weight. So, for example, if you're taking 1000 mg of magnesium glycinate, then you're getting 128 mg of magnesium.

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this is the mag oil i use:

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I dilute it 50:50 with distilled water so it lasts konger.

Could this replace the need for magnesium supplements if i use it every night?

Was the calcium i showed sufficient?

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