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independent review of food supplements

Postby Liberation » Sun Apr 22, 2012 12:39 pm

I just recently went through an article that drew my attention to the fact that many food suppliments and vitamin brands are just a waste of money as the producers do not have to comply with any strict regulations as do drug producers. One way to get around this problem is to read independent reviews like the ones produced by cunsumerlab.

I am just wondering if anyone has these kinds of reports or have access to consumerlab's reports. I would really appreciate any help.
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Re: independent review of food suppliments

Postby jackD » Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:58 pm

I have about 20 years of Consumers Reports and I subscribe to Comsumer Labs web site.

I base my supplement choices upon what I find in NIH-NLM that relates to my medical conditions.

Healthy young people do not need supplements if they have a good diet.

Your statement "are a waste of money as the producers do not have to comply with any strict regulations as do drug producers." contains some serious logic errors.

You presume that they are dishonest and that the products are bad. Buy from GOOD sources like LEF which does the same test as Comsumer Labs and you will get quality products.

Life does not offer too many absolute right choices. I keep searching for better supplements all the time.

jackD

p.s. Read my postings and you will see how I apply this to my MS condition. My Doctor reviews my choices.

I fear that you have a rather over negative attitude. I in no way think anything I say could change your mind or attitude.
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Need for regulation of supplement users !!!!

Postby jackD » Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:04 am

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Need for regulation of supplement users!!
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This thread proves(/supports) my point that all supplement users should be regulated and licensed.

Before anyone can purchase any supplement they must pass a basic test to measure their understanding of the effects and consequences of taking that item.

They must provide info in the form of medical abstracts from NIH-NLM that they have reviewed with their Doctor. The doctors initials will be required.

I volunter to be the temporary Independent Reviewer Czar in the Department of the Food Supplement and Vitamins Administration.

Only after Czar approval can they be permitted to purchase that specific item.


Czar JackD the 1st
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Re: independent review of food suppliments

Postby tedhutchinson » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:51 am

For a while I also subscribed to Consumer Labs web site but it didn't take me long to realise it was a scam set up designed to make money for the site owners without actually providing information that would be helpful to the consumer.

This website article on Consumerlabs explains how it works

I do think it's important that before people take any supplements they understand why they may or may not need them and also do the research to understand what form is best for them and how much of that supplement is likely to be effective.
I do not believe that simply going to the local health food shop, spending a lot of money on supplements will guarantee any improvement in health.

The only way supplements may help is to help correct any current micro nutrient deficiency state.
We all have sufficient common sense to use one of the many online calculators for calcium and/or magnesium intake.
We can all find where our water comes from and ask our water provider how much calcium/magnesium it contains so we should all be able to work out if our DAILY INTAKE matches the ImageRDA for our age sex calcium
and for Image magnesium
I think we all have sufficient common sense to know that food sources of both will be better utilized by the body. But what if there is a difference between what the RDA for calcium or magnesium is and our current consumption.
Sure the first and major effort should be by increasing our food sources. Brazil nuts almonds are relatively easy to source but There may be some people who despite their best efforts end up not consuming the RDA for either calcium or magnesium.

There seems to me to be very little point in people working out the MINIMUM amount of micro-nutrients humans require to prevent short latency conditions developing if we then just ignore that micro nutrient deficiency state. Bear in mind I've used the word Minimum deliberately as there is for magnesium very good reason to believe the "official" minimum should be higher as also applies to the "official RDA" for vitamin D3.

I owe a debt of gratitude to Ashton Embry for his list of supplements which I believe should be the starting point.
While I don't dispute his calcium requirement is appropriate most people should source MOST of that from food/water and limit to 600mg/daily (stroke risk) calcium from supplements.
The list includes No flush Niacin (B3): 2 g I'd suggest that given the provision of Quercetin: 400 mg further down the list most people will find (after a period of gradual build up for acclimatization) that taking normal (the type the produces a flush) about 20mins after Quercetin and on a full stomach the flush will not be noticed. I take quercetin, 20mins before bedtime and the niacin when in bed and I don't know if I flush or not because by the time it happens (if it does) I'm fast asleep.

For UK readers if they get a £25 Postal Vitamin d 25(OH)D TEST from CityAssays this will tell them their current levels. In order to enable full absorption of calcium from dietary sources the minimum vitamin D level should be 100nmol/l and some people still find levels up to 110nmol/l are required for maximum calcium uptake. (remember the RDA's are set to get the average person to a minimum standard and are not the levels to get EVERYONE to OPTIMAL levels.
The maximum anti inflammatory action of vitamin D is achieved at 125nmol/l 50ng/ml and if you are breast feeding and think human milk should be a vitamin d replete food for your baby then you need to ensure 25(OH)D is around 60ng/ml 150nmol/l.

We all have to understand how MODERN FOODS and MODERN LIFESTYLES have deviated from those our ancestors experienced while our DNA was evolving. Human skin is set to produce 10,000iu minimum vitamin D given FULL BODY sun exposure but mostly we expose face/hands only (less than 10%) and we have this exposed all the time both indoors and out. UVB levels (that turns 7 dehydrocholesterol into cholecalciferol) are generally most advantageous about midday and for the rest of the day UVA is turning cholecalciferol into suprasterols the body doesn't use so degrading vitamin d levels (particularly for people who mainly get sunlight filtered through glass windows/windscreens/plastic roofs) Our skies are polluted with particles and ozone from cars/planes and these block UVB from reaching ground level and so generally human vitamin d status is lower than at any time in human history. Diet can at best only supply 10% of our daily vitamin D requirement so most people will find effective strength D3 (1000iu per 25lbs weight) as the safest and best option.
Do be aware that the form of Vitamin D2 supplied by most doctors/health professionals is the plant form Ergocalciferol and this speeds up the catabolism of vitamin D (the rate your body junks vitamin d) so within a few years makes vitamin D deficiency worse for some people. Cholecalciferol Vitamin D3 is readily available by post in the UK Amazon or Big Vits do a years supply of D3 drops/capsules around £10 so it's not worth asking your doctor for either however it will be useful if after using an effective amount of D3 for 12~24weeks you retest 25(OH)D and adjust the daily intake up/down to ensure you stay around the 125~150nmol/l 50~60ng/ml and explain what you are doing to your doctor so your health professionals start to learn what actually is required to keep people healthy.
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Re: independent review of food suppliments

Postby Liberation » Tue Apr 24, 2012 2:25 pm

jackD wrote:I have about 20 years of Consumers Reports and I subscribe to Comsumer Labs web site.

I base my supplement choices upon what I find in NIH-NLM that relates to my medical conditions.

Healthy young people do not need supplements if they have a good diet.

Your statement "are a waste of money as the producers do not have to comply with any strict regulations as do drug producers." contains some serious logic errors.

You presume that they are dishonest and that the products are bad. Buy from GOOD sources like LEF which does the same test as Comsumer Labs and you will get quality products.

Life does not offer too many absolute right choices. I keep searching for better supplements all the time.

jackD

p.s. Read my postings and you will see how I apply this to my MS condition. My Doctor reviews my choices.

I fear that you have a rather over negative attitude. I in no way think anything I say could change your mind or attitude.


English is not my native language, so my message might have not come through. I did not presume the dishonesty of any producer, I was just saying that according to some independent product reviewers many vitamins and food suppliments brands are worth nothing, as they contain far less of those substances that they state on their labels, but there are good quality brands as well.

My question was if anyone can help me with sharing these reports to choose the proper, good quality brands. I would really appreciate any help.
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Re: independent review of food suppliments

Postby tedhutchinson » Tue Apr 24, 2012 2:52 pm

Liberation wrote:My question was if anyone can help me with sharing these reports to choose the proper, good quality brands. I would really appreciate any help.
All Consumerlabs reports show is who is paying Consumerlabs for good reports. It doesn't tell you the companies who have paid to have adverse reports removed from the Consumerlabs website.
It's also the case that Consumerlabs base their recommendations on Official RDA amounts which are not optimum amounts but the minimum amounts which prevent short latency disease incidence.
So I don't think Consumerlabs are on the Consumers side and I don't think anyone should rely on anything they say.
It really depends on what you were thinking of supplementing with as it would take too long to give a definitive opinion of every possible combination of supplements for MS.
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Re: independent review of food suppliments

Postby Liberation » Wed May 02, 2012 3:24 pm

Thanks Ted. Any suggestions then what brands should I chose? I have a feeling that the ones I am using now are not effecient and they might contain less than what they state. My understanding was that consumerlab would examine whether a certain brand contains as much of the substances as they indicate on their label.
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Re: independent review of food suppliments

Postby jimmylegs » Wed May 02, 2012 5:30 pm

liberation, at one time i did have a link to a ranked list. it was years ago but i may be able to track it down for review.
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Re: independent review of food suppliments

Postby jimmylegs » Wed May 02, 2012 5:36 pm

hmmm i don't think i'm going to have any luck tracking it down :(
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Re: independent review of food suppliments

Postby jimmylegs » Wed May 02, 2012 5:40 pm

oops! i lied. the next modification i made to the search terms returned this list:

http://vitaminone.com/AdultRankings.htm

it's only for multis. so much more to your inquiry, but there it is for what little it's worth. the one i take isn't even listed.
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Re: independent review of food suppliments

Postby NHE » Sun Jun 10, 2012 2:21 pm

tedhutchinson wrote:All Consumerlabs reports show is who is paying Consumerlabs for good reports. It doesn't tell you the companies who have paid to have adverse reports removed from the Consumerlabs website.
It's also the case that Consumerlabs base their recommendations on Official RDA amounts which are not optimum amounts but the minimum amounts which prevent short latency disease incidence.
So I don't think Consumerlabs are on the Consumers side and I don't think anyone should rely on anything they say.
It really depends on what you were thinking of supplementing with as it would take too long to give a definitive opinion of every possible combination of supplements for MS.


One of my complaints about consumerlabs.com is that they take free content from the FDA that has been paid for by our tax dollars and then charge money for accessing it. http://www.consumerlab.com/recalls.asp


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