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Re: Plasma zinc test on Monday wen do i stop taking zinc pic

Postby jimmylegs » Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:15 am

i do mean the natural fruit sugar. stick with your breakfast smoothie, but if you start to feel worse as days go by without supplements, consider reducing your fructose intake.

in the long term, after the testing, you should be okay to have limited servings of coconut. the sat fat is lauric acid which appears to raise HDL (good) cholesterol:

Effects of dietary fatty acids and carbohydrates on the ratio of serum total to HDL cholesterol and on serum lipids and apolipoproteins: a meta-analysis of 60 controlled trials
http://www.ajcn.org/content/77/5/1146.f ... a9e9fc3566
"Individual saturated fatty acids
Lauric acid markedly increases cholesterol, whereas stearic acid lowers it somewhat when it is used to replace carbohydrates. However, the picture reverses if one looks at total:HDL cholesterol: both lauric and stearic acid are now more favorable than carbohydrates. Lauric acid—a major component of tropical oils such as coconut and palm kernel fat—has the largest cholesterol-raising effect of all fatty acids, but much of this is due to HDL cholesterol. As a result, lauric acid had a more favorable effect on total:HDL cholesterol than any other fatty acid, either saturated or unsaturated."

caveat: this study is a meta analysis and i haven't gone through and checked the funding for all the cited studies, but i know there are certain of these fats/oils whlch are studied by research institutions based in the major country of production, just a minor economic bias..

fyi re raw coconut meat - 1 oz (28g) is mildly inflammatory, so you can eat it but you'd need to balance it against something else even more anti-inflammatory.
http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/nut ... cts/3106/2
(if you want to check diff serving sizes just use the svg size drop-down menu top left)
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Re: Plasma zinc test on Monday wen do i stop taking zinc pic

Postby dc10 » Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:33 am

thank you,

I have just learnt from reading the ingredients of my calcium carbonate that it inclues Sucrose AKA table sugar!!

this is really getting to me, i tried my best to make sure i didnt make any mistakes in following this diet but im finding more and more things i've been eating ince starting the diet 3 months ago which are against the rules, which means im slowly down or reversing any gains. which is such a punch in the face when i've been so strict and dedicated , well i thought i was

i must have eaten about 150 grams of coconut this morning as it was so tasty,
thats 560 calories including 10g of sugar
normally id have 30-50 grams after lunch and dinner,
bear in mind ive been doing this for 7 days!
thanks for the sat info, i feel slightly better now, but i have still been consuimg sugar, which is a definite NO on the diet!!!

i think im going to stop eating ALL fruits now! I need to get my life back, so have to do the diet as strictly as possible!
i've truly screwed myself , there goes those 3 months of strict wahls dieting :(
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Re: Plasma zinc test on Monday wen do i stop taking zinc pic

Postby jimmylegs » Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:05 am

your calcium carbonate has sucrose?? what is it, a TUMS or something?

don't get discouraged dc, it's a learning curve, and you're on it, you'll only come out better off in the end. this kind of thing is the reason i have issues with diets per se, the individual interpretation can be so highly variable..

i'm searching nutritiondata for fruits lowest in sugars, and once you get out of avocado/lime/lemon-land, in ascending order selected fruits include raw blackberries, strawberries, guavas, bananas, kiwis, papaya, and by that time you're up to 30g of sugars per 1c serving. if you let it go up to 35g per 1c serving, you can include grapefruit, blueberries, pears, cherries, oranges

for comparison, fruits and veg with high sugar content are up over 50g per serving.

veggies up near 30g of sugar per serving include (now in descending order): tomato, squash, carrots, turnips, peppers, celery, cucumber, onion.
veggies with 20g per 1c serving and under (also in descending order): things like cauliflower, pumpkin, peas, asparagus, spaghetti squash, sweet potato, savoy cabbage, mushrooms (raw crimini), parsnips.
veggies on the lower end (under 5g per serving) include: mushroom (grilled portobello), yams, potato (hmm, take that with a grain of salt), garlic, alfalfa, lima beans, spinach, collards, parsley

just for kicks, i went to the profiles for kale and chard, both have 2g. not sure why they didnt come up in the list above. maybe i read too quickly.

anyway. chin up! knowledge is power :D
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Re: Plasma zinc test on Monday wen do i stop taking zinc pic

Postby dc10 » Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:39 pm

This is the Calcium supplement:
http://www.hollandandbarrett.com/pages/ ... =433&cid=8
includes:
Calcium Carbonate, Bulking Agent(Microcrystalline Cellulose), Maltodextrin, Sodium Carboxymethylcellulose, Anti-Caking Agents (Magnesium Stearate, Stearic Acid), Sucrose, Emulsifier (Acacia Gum), Glycerine, Medium Chain Triglycerides, Starch, Sodium Citrate, Vitamin E (as dl-Alpha Tocopherol), Vitamin D3.


It frustrates me why they would think to add sugar!

thank for the list of veg/fruits with the lowest sugar, that will help greatly,

theres even sugar in veg!?! jeez, so looks like even dr wahls improved consuming some sugar,
but veg like carrots and peppers are important on this diet, is it the same fructose found in fruit?
i thought the wahls diet would have little to no sugar content,
this sugar will feed and keep alive the candida yeast overgrowth!!
i guess there is no way to live on a diet which contains zero sugar

what does the c mean in 1c?

many thanks for the kind words :)
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Re: Plasma zinc test on Monday wen do i stop taking zinc pic

Postby jimmylegs » Wed Jul 04, 2012 5:08 pm

ah. ew, never mind the sucrose, that's the synthetic vitamin E in there, the one they used in that SELECT study that had everyone all up in arms about vit E causing cancer. hope you can get some good E8 complex. (and eat your raw sunflower seeds!).

who knows why they put sugar in.. not me, that's for sure!

don't worry about the veg that have a bit more sugar in them. as far as i can tell, any whole food with less than 30g of sugars per cup serving (c is for cup by the way) is not considered high in sugar.

oh man please don't talk to me about candida. from my experience, that's purely a function of zinc status. i used to test positive for candida all the time, but that was when i was zinc deficient. no longer. good zinc status, no candida findings.

and no there is no way to live on a diet that is absolutely sugar free - you need some to live. it's just overdoing it that causes trouble.
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Re: Plasma zinc test on Monday wen do i stop taking zinc pic

Postby dc10 » Thu Jul 05, 2012 8:32 am

i see,
does the benefit of this calcium supplement outweigh the negative of the sucrose content?

GUESS WHAT! Got a call from the doctors a minute ago saying my appointment on Monday has been cancelled as the dr is now not available , but ive been booked in on the 24th July = 2.5 week away!

my legs have been very weak today + bladder very frequent so i'm dying to get back on the zinc/vitamins, - but i did have an epsom salt bath for 30 minutes this morning, so this may be why
would it be okay to get back on the vitamins now and stop on the 19th - 5 days before my blood test

i take this vit E with dinner vits : http://www.iherb.com/Carlson-Labs-E-Gem ... Gels/12908

not sure if it contains E8 though

thanks again Dr JL ;)
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Re: Plasma zinc test on Monday wen do i stop taking zinc pic

Postby jimmylegs » Thu Jul 05, 2012 4:19 pm

personally i can't take calcium supplements, i get enough in diet so if i supplement i can feel my cal/mag ratio getting too high. so i'm not in a good position to comment on the merit of keeping the calcium in the mix in your case. however, weakness is one of the problems you see when calcium is low. might be a good idea to add serum calcium to your list of lab tests...

wow does that ever suck. irritating! yes go ahead, back on the supplements until the 19th.

ah, carlson labs! they're really decent. it's an E8, they have all four tocopherols listed on the label, plus the bit about total tocotrienols, which are the other four. from the extra product info:

http://www.carlsonlabs.com/ProductLiter ... _elite.pdf
***Typical tocotrienol analysis shows gamma tocotrienol 12 to 14 mg, alpha tocotrienol 5 to 8 mg, beta & delta tocotrienols 2 to 4 mg.

and, you're most welcome :) hehehe
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Re: Plasma zinc test on Monday wen do i stop taking zinc pic

Postby dc10 » Fri Jul 06, 2012 10:50 am

well, today has been an improvement on yesterday,

legs are a bit stronger, bladder less frequent + a lot more control, so im guessing this was due to some form of herx reaction from the Epsom salt bath i had yesterday morning
- this morning i woke at 8am for the bathroom (i had NE), but decided to go back to sleep and naturally wake as my body has been hampered recently - i woke at 12pm!!

with breakfast i took 1x 50mg zinc picolinate with 2mg copper , as maybe the 100mg elemental zinc pico was too much for me in one day + pico is better absorbed than the glyco
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Re: Plasma zinc test on Monday wen do i stop taking zinc pic

Postby jimmylegs » Fri Jul 06, 2012 2:15 pm

50 mg zn pico should do it. and if you put too much epsom salt in a bath it can make you SUPER weak, but i wouldn't call it a herx reaction. just an overdose.

glad today was an improvement!
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