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hehehe i'm glad at least people are checking in!

56. i take it (ie hope) that's ng/mL which would be about 140 nmol/L, if so well done!

check out magnesium and zinc links to hypothyroidism. especially relevant when high dosing d3.

what's your daily magnesium form, intake, and timing in relation to d3? pls remind me also, do you take zinc, if so what form, and how much daily?

http://www.ithyroid.com/magnesium.htm
http://www.ithyroid.com/zinc.htm

what are your main dietary sources of mag and zinc?

wow that OB-GYN is out of it huh! it's sun OR dietary/supplemental, which is then hydroxylated to the 25(OH)d3 form that we test, in the liver. (needs good zinc status for optimal conversion performance BTW), and then 25(OH)d3 is hydroxylated in the kidney, to the 1,25(OH)2d3 form that we test less and for different reasons.

yes people that cover themselves or have darker skin or older skin synthesize less vitamin d3 from the sun. that's where dietary/supplemental d3 comes in!! eg arctic indigenous foods *must* provide vitamin d3 without requiring cutaneous exposure to sunlight.

(stupidly long science direct link omitted)
Vitamins A, D, and E in Canadian Arctic traditional food and adult diets
...180 independent samples of Arctic traditional food species expected to be reasonable sources of fat soluble vitamins were sampled from a wide geographic range. ...Excellent sources of all three nutrients were found in sea mammal fats (beluga, narwhal, seal, walrus) and organ meats (liver of both sea and land species). Fish (char, cisco, lake trout, loche, sculpin, whitefish) was especially rich in D, with highest levels in loche liver (mean 318 μg/100 g). ...traditional food resources that are excellent sources of fat-soluble nutrients can be promoted to protect vitamin nutrition in Arctic indigenous populations.

that ob-gyn should take some lessons from you hannakat

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Thanks JL! Yes, it's ng/mL and thank you for pointing out the difference...I thought I was way low. Awesome to know I'm on track with the D! And thank you for the links.

In the morning, I take about 1/4 tsp magnesium glycinate (about 500mg), 630mg calcium citrate w/D, 500mg magnesium oxide, and 50mg zinc gluconate.

At night I take 630mg calcium citrate w/D, 500mg magnesium oxide. I'm just guessing as to how much to take. As long as the spasms are under control, I'm happy. How's this look to you?

you're very welcome!

omg i don't know how you do that much mag oxide without being stuck in the bathroom all the time. i wonder if by taking mag oxide and mag glycinate together, that you're reducing the absorbability of the mag glycinate at all.... just a thought.

where you say 630 calcium citrate w/D, is that a blended product and is that where and when you're getting your 5000-6000IU of daily d3 intake?

your zinc intake looks great. helps to get a test to make sure you're not getting too high. with zinc aim to be pretty darn close to 18 umol/L

you might want to try to put some of that magnesium glycinate in at a separate time than calcium and vit D. i think your thyroid might appreciate it

with magnesium aim for at least 0.9 mmol/L ('normal' range is 0.7-1.1)

hope that helps

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my approach: no meds so far - just balanced whole foods (partial 'paleo', much less outright elimination), science, supplements, & bloodwork
my regimen - www.thisisms.com/ftopict-2489.html
www.whfoods.com, www.nutritiondata.com

I'll definitely try the mags at different times and some w/o calcium. The calcium citrate is blended. The D3 5-6000iu is gel caps that are taken usually with breakfast.

The recommended mag glycinate is 1 tsp, so I'm only taking 1/4 of the recommended dose in order to maintain bathroom issues. I was told to work up to what I could tolerate and so I am trying to work up to 1/2 tsp. I take that in the a.m. so I'll just take the calcium and mag oxide at night then.

So, magnisium might have an effect on the thyroid....I'll look over that information tonight. Doc did want to start me on a low dose of Synthroid but knew that I'd want to look at alternatives first (He's finally starting to know me after all this time!).

So, off I go to do some learning...thanks again for the links JL!

~^,,^~

okay i see. how about... d3 gelcaps plus the cal blend and mag oxide and zinc in the morning, and mag glycinate before dinner? (i don't recommend magnesium glycinate on an empty stomach, or followed immediately by lying down!)

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my approach: no meds so far - just balanced whole foods (partial 'paleo', much less outright elimination), science, supplements, & bloodwork
my regimen - www.thisisms.com/ftopict-2489.html
www.whfoods.com, www.nutritiondata.com

i REALLY enjoyed that batch of lentil soup. om nom nom! will make again.

yesterday i used my subway gift card for dinner and had a 6" tuna on 9-grain honey oat bun. cheddar cheese, veggies, no extra sauces.

today's breakfast was the berry/yoghurt/granola deal.

last night i took some homemade pasta (beef tomato veg pesto) sauce out of the freezer and this morning i cooked up some whole grain rotini. so that was today's lunch at work ... should take me through tomorrow and friday also.

i stopped at mum's on the way home from work but she was out so i just ate some of her liverwurst on a few crackers hahaha - came home for tea.

for dinner this eve i went back to my old goody two shoes stand-by - baked salmon, baked sweet potato, and boiled chard. i have enough leftovers to enjoy that again in a couple of days.

i'm down a few of my supplements for the day - gave a few key things to a co-worker who felt like she was starting to come down with a cold. better go top up

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my approach: no meds so far - just balanced whole foods (partial 'paleo', much less outright elimination), science, supplements, & bloodwork
my regimen - www.thisisms.com/ftopict-2489.html
www.whfoods.com, www.nutritiondata.com

I've found that I like to put a little hot sauce or sprinkle some cayenne on my sweet potatoes. Try it, it's good, really.


NHE

i bet! i load on the black pepper as it is

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my approach: no meds so far - just balanced whole foods (partial 'paleo', much less outright elimination), science, supplements, & bloodwork
my regimen - www.thisisms.com/ftopict-2489.html
www.whfoods.com, www.nutritiondata.com

yesterday was an atypical day. got up early for the april community cleanup.

i was running one site in a nearby city park. i made a thermos-full of coffee, picked up a bag of apples for volunteers, and grabbed a mcmuffin at the drivethrough on the way to the park.

met up with the crew which trickled in slowly but we ended up with 8 in the group, plus me. it was the first nice spring day .. it seems like at all this season. i'm sunburnt!

had an apple when we wrapped up the morning's work. then it was over to city hall for an appreciation event and i had a free burger.

once we finished up tearing down everything around 2:30, i went to visit my mom and had tea, a handful of punjabi snack mix, and 4 crackers (2 w pate 2 w cheddar). then she made venison stew full of mixed root veg, with a side of kale. we also did up a venison roast and i brought home some of that for leftovers.

this morning i had a pretty standard day-at-home breakfast. started with water and tea, then sauteed onion and pepper, two large eggs, chopped spinach, a tiny slice of cheese chopped into 24 tiny dice, salt and pepper. i also broiled half a heritage tomato, spread it with pesto, and sprinkled it with salt pepper and parmesan. i skipped the multi-grain sprouted grain toast today.

i have taken fish oil, multivit, vit C, zinc and vit A with brekkies. i took them with the last of a bottle of berry smoothie that was on sale recently.

coffee time!

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my approach: no meds so far - just balanced whole foods (partial 'paleo', much less outright elimination), science, supplements, & bloodwork
my regimen - www.thisisms.com/ftopict-2489.html
www.whfoods.com, www.nutritiondata.com

enjoyed the coffee.

forgot to take the next lot of supplements before lunch.

had a little roast venison with leftover kale and mashed root veg for lunch.

tea next!

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my approach: no meds so far - just balanced whole foods (partial 'paleo', much less outright elimination), science, supplements, & bloodwork
my regimen - www.thisisms.com/ftopict-2489.html
www.whfoods.com, www.nutritiondata.com

well the toast made it back into the day's menu. i was snacky in the afternoon, and after a couple handfuls of granola, i had two little slices of toast, with butter and home-made sunflower seed butter.

for dinner i augmented some leftover tuscan bean soup with leftover chard and a third of a sweet potato, a bit more water and an organic veggie cube, and a little salt and pep.

i spaced again on taking my last batch of pills for the day before eating. the magnesium bisglycinate is in this last set so i have to push it down with food. if i have another bowl later, i'll get er done for the day.

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my approach: no meds so far - just balanced whole foods (partial 'paleo', much less outright elimination), science, supplements, & bloodwork
my regimen - www.thisisms.com/ftopict-2489.html
www.whfoods.com, www.nutritiondata.com

whoa nellie

that was a great brunch. the usual at-home first meal: sauteed onions and red pep with eggs and a tiny sprinkling of cheddar. (i was out of greens but i ate plenty of kale and chard yesterday).

i also cut a 1cm slice off the baked sweet potato and cut it into 16 dice. sweet potato hash browns.

i enjoyed the broiled tomato so much yesterday, that i did the other half the same way today.

skipped the toast again, what with the sweet potato and tomato in the mix.

i already had water and tea, got the first batch of supplements in, and water's on for the morning's coffee.

gotta get ready for the week ahead today. and vote!

ooh there's the boil. coffee time

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my approach: no meds so far - just balanced whole foods (partial 'paleo', much less outright elimination), science, supplements, & bloodwork
my regimen - www.thisisms.com/ftopict-2489.html
www.whfoods.com, www.nutritiondata.com

today i skipped brekkies coz i laid in bed too long.

today it was my job to hike a canyon with a bunch of students. had walked 3.8 km and 5000-odd steps (student teacher had an app) when we stopped for lunch (in the rain, in the open). ate my sandwich and finally, breakfast for dessert.

the missed breakfast was the same old berries/yog/granola but i had a new bag of frozen fruit mix and IT IS AWESOME. antioxidant blend with strawbs and blackberries as per the usual, but instead of blueberies and raspberries it has currants, black cherries and sour cherries. HELLO it was amazing.

it was raining the whole hike (total was 7km + today) and i am a bag of mud.

to spread the wealth, i stopped off at mum's on the way home.

in return for the mud she treated me to dinner - stroganoff: but with basmati and wild rice instead of egg noodles; and in the mushroom sauce: strips of roast venison instead of beef. plus side of brocolli. yum! lunch for tomorrow.

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my approach: no meds so far - just balanced whole foods (partial 'paleo', much less outright elimination), science, supplements, & bloodwork
my regimen - www.thisisms.com/ftopict-2489.html
www.whfoods.com, www.nutritiondata.com

Anybody heard of a vitamin supplement called usana? I was told by an aquaintance with ms that it keeps her ms from getting worse. I see it online but don't know how effective overall it is.

we have a family friend who sells or used to sell usana products. there are a bunch of different ones. i just had a look and really the amounts are not therapeutic, they look like okay maintenance doses. as usual, they do not have the whole E8 complex. at least there are mixed tocopherols which is one step better than the usual. i am not sure those would be effective unless you took more than the package direcftions, to match intake levels recommended for ms patients.

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my approach: no meds so far - just balanced whole foods (partial 'paleo', much less outright elimination), science, supplements, & bloodwork
my regimen - www.thisisms.com/ftopict-2489.html
www.whfoods.com, www.nutritiondata.com