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A curious (probably not original) thought:

If there are these high iron deposits in the brain of an MS patient, and MS is more prevalent in countries further from the equator (and considering that the Earth's magnetic field gets stronger the further you go from the equator towards the North and South Pole), is it not possible that:

1. the position you sleep in at night (ie. body lined up so the head points north or south) could influence where iron deposits itself/recirculates? Especially if you have atherosclerotic/stenotic veins obstructing blood flow?

2. is it possible that atherosclerosis/stenosis/vein size and anatomy could be the genetic factor that predisposes you to this? Conversely if genetics aren't a factor, is it not possible that an unhealthy/high saturated fat/sedentary lifestyle could lead to fat deposition/stenosis of veins (and probably blood vessels in general over time) and cause the very same problem?

3. In this 'vein', could magnetic therapy be an option (something like a magnetic therapy pad), or repositioning of the bed (obviously something to do after the stenosis has been resolved with something like CCSVI surgery) along with dietary/lifestyle changes to prevent recurrence?

Or the more interesting question, has anyone had success with magnetic therapy of any sort themselves?? (though it seems the iron in your blood is chemically bound to your hemoglobin and likely not magnetically sensitive.....and if red blood cells were magnetic, then putting a human into an MRI would kill them instantly/tearing them to shreds.....rendering this whole post useless? haha)

Just some (maybe not quite scientific enough) thoughts from a newbie;)

Cheers!

Ira

3. In this 'vein', could magnetic therapy be an option (something like a magnetic therapy pad), or repositioning of the bed (obviously something to do after the stenosis has been resolved with something like CCSVI surgery) along with dietary/lifestyle changes to prevent recurrence?

Interesting Ira...........have you seen these kind of articles on Pubmed at all? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9352426 there are quite a few from the 1990's.

Is this treatment available?--why was there no more research after the mid 90's or was there?

came across this older thread. was wondering if anyone here has gotten wind of any more research being done. something like this should grab the attention of the good old boys who "claim" they are looking for a cure for us. but, of course the lady in the research had no side effects and was improving. that would not sit well with the "legal" drug trafficing that are the standard choices.



Interesting Ira...........have you seen these kind of articles on Pubmed at all? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9352426 there are quite a few from the 1990's

http://www.pemftreatmenthealingtouches.com/pemf-r
tms/what-is-pemf

explains the concept and a lot of info. and food for thought.

if you do read this please go to the top of the page where it says testimonials etc. you will find a lot more info.

the google link and my preview before post came up different??????

Acupuncture and Acupressure work to balance the body's electromagnetic field. There exists already a device to stimulate electrically one's own field if used on Acupuncture points, I treat myself every morning to get the blood circulating out of my brain, and I've been able to stop pending MS attacks. It's the TENS device sold for pain control - costs not much more than $50 on the internet. However, I use it for self electromagnetic therapy. I've described it's use on my site under the Acupuncture blog. I know I should get around to doing a YouTube video to show how it's done. No big deal. Kinesiologists base their treatments on the Chinese meridian system and often use magnets. (Also my San Francisco acupuncture doctor electrically stimulated the needles - not done in France which is too bad because I found it more effective.) So maybe the "Magnetron" ? is more effective or people feel more comfortable being treated by an "expert". But you can treat yourself.
By the way, MRI's are not neutral, side effect free diagnostic tools, they disrupt one's own electromagnetic field. Since lesions do not correrspond to handicap, I don't understand why patients keep subjecting themselves to MRI's. Once is enough just to pin down the diagnosis.
People tend to resist taking care of themselves (myself included). One wants to find someone to just "fix" it, whatever the problem. There are ways to help yourself - diet, self acupressure with TENS. I'm going to attach my acupuncture article. Unfortunately in 1993 I listened to a dumb acupuncture doctor who said my TENS wouldn't be effective and just put the TENS away discouraged. I could have stopped all the decline these past 20 years. But I didn't know about the blood circulation CCSVI theory and was using it for cystitus. I could kick myself. Regrets, regrets regrets.

MS Cure Enigmas.net


ACUPRESSURE SELF HELP: One evening while alone after learning about the CCSVI theory I could feel all the warning signs of an MS attack. I performed a TENS self acupressure treatment which relaxed me slightly but I was still worried about what the next day would bring. Well, the next day, the “attack” was gone. Just stopped in its tracks. That never happens without treatment. In fact once the MS process begins the stress feeds on itself, stress triggers it off and then the anxiety exacerbates it. So now, every morning I give myself a treatment. I’m probably in a progressive stage with occasional crisis. Often on waking I feel like the blood flow is stagnating in my brain and doing some damage. So I get the flow going again. The summer of 1993 when I began to“lose” my legs, I made a terrible mistake. I listened to an Acupuncture Doctor who told me my TENS apparatus couldn’t do much. (At the time I was using it to “balance” my meridiens in general because I had had an MS attack which caused me to limp.Also cystitus) True, the TENS self treatment is not as profound as a good acupuncture treatment, but now I realize it can and does get the blood flowing. It can stop brain damage.This doctor might have thought it wouldn’t do much good but it could do no harm, so why discourage me?

Now I will describe the basic TENS treatment I use as "maintenance" as well as to stop an impending "attack".
TENS stands for Transcutaneous Electrical Nerve Stimulator which is sold to deliver small electrical impulses via electrode pads placed on the skin to ease pain. However, I use it to stimulate acupuncture points to open blood flow from the Central Nervous System. I use a small 9 volt battery powered apparatus (3.5¨ x 2.5¨or 9 cm x 6.5 cm). It has 2 controls linked to 2 leads which branch into 2 pads each, thereby giving the possibility of stimulating a total of 4 acupuncture points at a time. It can be purchased on the Internet in the US for about $50. I ordered one from England which was a bit more expensive. (You have to buy a supply of pads as well which come in packages of 4. The pads are adhesive. Eventually they stop adhering so I use tape for a while to extend their use longer.)

The basic principle is to balance 2 Yin points with 2 Yang points. The Yin Organs "nourish", the Yang "protect". One can consult the Acupuncture meridians on the internet at YingYangHouse.com. (The Spleen meridian runs up the INSIDE of the leg which isn't made clear on the chart.)

I now start with the upper back point to open circulation from the brain. I place a pad on the upper back just below (slightly outside) where the outside of neck meets the shoulder. This is Gall Bladder 21 "Shoulder Well". (Acupressure points are sensitive so I poke around until I've found the point.) This Gall Bladder point "clears up" my head and I'm convinced it opens the blood flow from the head. For the complementary Yin point I use Spleen 10 which is found about 3 fingers up from the knee on the middle of the inside thigh. (An alternative would be Liver 9 found one third up the inside of the thigh between the muscles.) Again, these will be very sensitive points. I place the pads from the lead on one side and then repeat the process on the other. Now I slowly turn on the "wheel" controls of the TENS unit to feel the electric impulses. (I don't touch the pads with my fingers when the unit is "on", the finger tips are very sensitive.) I get immediate relief with the upper back points. Also, if I start to have an "attack", this will stop it. Sometimes I'm not really aware that an attack has stopped, but by next morning the symptoms are gone.

I then turn to my original self treatment. I start with Spleen 6 which is a powerful Yin point. Called the 3 Yin it is the intersection of 3 Yin meridians - the Liver, Spleen and Kidney. (Warning – Don’t use needles on a pregnant woman. It’s good when giving birth.) The Spleen meridian runs up the INSIDE of the leg. I place 4 fingers at the top of the ankle bone along the leg bone, at the last finger I press into the leg to find a sensitive point, that's it. I place a pad over this point. Then I find the Yang Gall Bladder 34. I find the small bone on the outside of the knee. I press just below, slightly inside, this bone, (when an acupuncture needle is used one can feel an electric impluse down to the ankle.) I place a pad over this point on the same leg as the Spleen 6. I then do the same thing on the other leg with the second lead..Again I slowly turn on the "wheel" controls of the TENS unit to feel the electric impulses. If you increase the electric impulse on Gall Bladder 34 it will stimulate the "releveur" muscle and lift up the foot. This is the "drop foot" muscle and if I had known this I would have tried to keep this muscle working on my right side. (The muscle still works as a reflex, but I can't make it work. Maybe continued stimulation will revive it, but at any rate I will do everything to avoid losing the left side.)

As an alternative Yang point I place the pad in the middle of the back of the knee which is Urinary Bladder 40, thinking this will open circulation from the spine. However, it can cramp the calves, so go slowly.

I don't know how effective this self-treatment will be for others. But it has changed my life. I used to live in dread of a breakdown. I can now control the stress and prevent “attacks”. The TENS device is a minor investment. I believe one should take confidence in one’s own healing powers.

(By the way, I received a diploma as an Acupressure Massage Therapist in 1987 from the Berkeley Acupressure Institute. I only practiced on myself, family and friends, but I have some knowledge of the subject. Ideally an Acupuncture Doctor or Acupressure Massage Therapist can help you get started. If you bring in these new ideas to your therapist, he/she might learn something which can help other patients. Amazingly enough, Acupuncturists are fixed on the auto-immune theory of MS and don't even realize the healing power of their own skills. Just don’t let some self important control freak discourage you.)

Taken from MS Cure Enigmas.net - blog

hi vesta, thanks for your input. i want to tell you from this post and others you have done i feel you are very "savy" with your thinking. and your approaches. myself, i feel i am a definite skeletal issue. from the trauma that started this mess to the bone spurs i've been trying for yrs. to get surgeons to remove and had no success in doing so. when a persons skeletal is impaired the trickle down effects can be devestating. effecting electrical, flow you name it. as you said we have all got to keep searching and keep an open mind.

Hi Blossom: thanks for the positive feedback. Skeletal is a hard one because you need help to get it fixed and therapists Doctors etc won't listen and tend to write off MS as not worth the bother. I waited 15 years to find a body worker to slip a ligament back onto my elbow and by then it was too late. I'll stop for now, my messages keep getting deleted.

vesta wrote:Hi Blossom: thanks for the positive feedback. Skeletal is a hard one because you need help to get it fixed and therapists Doctors etc won't listen and tend to write off MS as not worth the bother. I waited 15 years to find a body worker to slip a ligament back onto my elbow and by then it was too late. I'll stop for now, my messages keep getting deleted.

It would be great if you could clarify that statement. You are the only person other than Jimmylegs or I that can delete your messages. I haven't deleted any of your messages and the forum's log files indicate that Jimmylegs hasn't either.

NHE

@Irak,

Remember when positioning your head you need to find magnetic north using a compass. It will vary with your specific longitude. My bed is parallel to the road outside which runs (true)
North-South with my head facing north. Magnetic declination where I live is around 17-degrees East.

PN

NHE wrote:

vesta wrote:Hi Blossom: thanks for the positive feedback. Skeletal is a hard one because you need help to get it fixed and therapists Doctors etc won't listen and tend to write off MS as not worth the bother. I waited 15 years to find a body worker to slip a ligament back onto my elbow and by then it was too late. I'll stop for now, my messages keep getting deleted.

It would be great if you could clarify that statement. You are the only person other than Jimmylegs or I that can delete your messages. I haven't deleted any of your messages and the forum's log files indicate that Jimmylegs hasn't either.

NHE

Sorry. Delete isn't the correct word. But after I write a message I hit submit and the message is lost, my status having changed from logged in to logged out and then I have to start over. Just happened. I never know how many times I have to write the same thing so have started to write on Word and then paste to the site. Rather frustrating. Thanks

vesta wrote:Sorry. Delete isn't the correct word. But after I write a message I hit submit and the message is lost, my status having changed from logged in to logged out and then I have to start over. Just happened. I never know how many times I have to write the same thing so have started to write on Word and then paste to the site. Rather frustrating. Thanks

OK. That's a different issue. The solution is discussed in this post in the FAQ thread on the support forum.

http://www.thisisms.com/forum/site-supp ... ml#p192570

NHE