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Haven't had one for years. When I did they were very minor and barely noticeable

Hi blossom,
Garlic is one of the best sources of sulfur, which I think is low in many cases of MS (along with many other minerals and vits), as I mentioned in this thread
http://www.thisisms.com/forum/general-d ... 19557.html

However, everything in excess is harmful. Taking lots of garlic for prolonged periods can impair coagulation and cause bleeds, etc, It is better to take only enough (like you were doing) and to try to correct the other deficiencies and excesses.

"thanks search," i have mthfr genetic thing i was told that makes me prone to clots, stroke heart attack doesn't mean that for sure i'll have one. told to take 1 asparin a day and folic acid.. so that high amt. of garlic is not sounding like a good idea.

i think it was scott1 said carrot juice is good too.

I've never had a cold sore.

I used to get a lot of skin peeling off the insides of my mouth. I presume it must have been a herpes family thing because it cleared up when I started treating the EBV.

When I first tested for everything I had a positive measurement for herpes simplex but no symptom.

Regards

Jimmylegs, I have never had a cold sore or chicken pox, for definite. Actually, apart from scarlet fever I never got any childhood illnesses, but when I was 24, I developed MS.

Sarah

thx sarah, makes sense. i think! been reading about varicella zoster and its potential, after causing chicken pox, to go latent and potentially end up causing later cold sores (more likely shingles though). can't find the reference again that specifically linked varicella zoster to later cold sores :S but they say herpes simplex 1 causes most cold sores, whereas most folks here seem to be saying i've had both, or neither. no reason why those with both in their history can't have been infected with both herpes simplex 1 *and* varicella zoster, while others have neither, but it seems a tad unfair! ah well. it was just an interesting tidbit.

just curious, for the ones that never had chicken pox or cold blisters--but recall getting the chicken pox vaccine? for us old timers i think we got the small pox vaccine-sounds like the chicken pox vac. was introduced in 1995. none the less, the herpes virus of one sort or another is connected with shingles.

thought this was an interesting article about the risk of shingles
chickenpox Vaccine Increases Risk for Shingles


http://www.mercola.com/2002/may/29/chic ... accine.htm

Scientists said on Thursday that vaccinating children against chickenpox (varicella) could increase the risk that adults would develop shingles, a painful blistering rash that is potentially dangerous in the elderly.

The team, at Britain’s Public Health Laboratory Service (PHLS), said that although vaccination would save thousands of lives over time, thousands of elderly people could also die from the complications of shingles, known as herpes zoster.

Writing in the journal Vaccine, they called for a re-evaluation of the policy of mass chickenpox vaccination that has been introduced already in the United States and is imminent in many other countries. In 1995, the chickenpox vaccine was approved for use in children over 1 year of age in the US and is now required for school entry. After a bout of naturally-occuring chickenpox, the varicella zoster virus remains dormant in the body and may reactivate decades later to cause shingles, a painful rash that typically strikes chickenpox veterans after the age of 60.

Marc Brisson and his team say their research shows that adults living with children have more exposure to the virus that causes chickenpox and enjoy high levels of protection against shingles. Being close to children means that adults are exposed to the virus, which acts like a booster vaccine against shingles, they believe. But if all children were vaccinated, adults who have had chickenpox would no longer be protected against developing shingles.

The researchers worked out a mathematical model that predicts that eliminating chickenpox in a country the size of the United States would prevent 186 million cases of the disease and 5,000 deaths over 50 years. However they said it could also result in 21 million more cases of shingles and 5,000 deaths.

The PHLS said in a statement it was working out what the impact might be of introducing a chickenpox vaccine in Britain. “As more evidence becomes available, it will be shared with the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation, which advises the Department of Health on the immunisation schedule.
JAMA May 1, 2002; 287(17):2211
fter vaccination later in life.

Hi Blossom,

I'd just be a little careful about relying on that article. It was written back in 2002. The key man is Marc Brisson and there are a lot of pages on his work if you google him. After reading a few articles I was confused which way he thinks then I realised he is a health economist so his job is not research in the true sense, more data collation looking for correlation's. It can be be all things to all people.
Nonetheless, the question about what are our common symptoms or markers is the right one and I obviously think that herpesviridae are the key.
My history is EBV infection and a very bad episode of Glandular fever (EBV) when I was 9 years old. At the time I had thought I missed a weeks school but it was decades later that my mother told me I missed 3 months. Sometimes we don't remember what our own history is. We need someone to let us know.
Maybe we could ask the questions such as 1) do we all have positive counts of EBV 2) did anyone,like me, have a heavy white coating on the tongue or its sides, 3) do you have a constant metallic taste that makes food not taste quite right, 4), are the lymph nodes in your neck often sore or tight,5) How old do you recall you were you when you first had something you'd now call an MS symptom (me about 13).
I really support your intention to find common ground. The lack of good databases is a great frustration. We could all get sick the same way, subsist the same way and die the same way yet there is no decent data base we can turn to so how would we ever know. The research is painfully slow and often looks repetitive (and sometime seems to run in reverse gear).
If you're looking at the herpes class of infection, remember they broadly break into Alpha, Beta and Gamma subsets and each persists differently. It's a very big group and it's not limited to humans so common ground is important to narrow the field down to targets.

Regards,

Yes, JL, that is a tad unfair, but not as unfair as getting MS, I think.

My sister got chickenpox about three years ago, at the age of just over 40 but she had never had cold sores before that either. Maybe she will start getting them now!

Well, before everyone jumps on this "cold sore" thing as yet another smoking gun in the development of MS, yet another unfair plague heaped on our poor, unfortunate population, here's an interesting article I found right after this thread began. I was doing a quick search to find the percentage of the general population that has been infected with herpes simplex 1, or cold sores, because I had always read that's an extremely high percentage of the population - just like EBV has touched almost everyone - although both can be asymptomatic.

I didn't post it at the time, because I was headed out of town for a while, but here is a link to the Science Daily article, a couple of quotes from it, and also a link to the original study.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 111129.htm

Study Finds Herpes Virus In 98 Percent Of Healthy Participants
ScienceDaily (Jan. 6, 2005) —
A study led by Dr. Herbert Kaufman, Boyd Professor of Ophthalmology at Louisiana State University Health Sciences Center in New Orleans, published in the January issue of Investigative Ophthalmology & Visual Science, found that 98% of the participants who are healthy individuals with no evidence of any symptoms did in fact shed herpes simplex virus type I (HSV-1) DNA in their tears and saliva at least once during the course of the 30-day study. The study was undertaken to assess the frequency of shedding of HSV-1 DNA in tears and saliva of asymptomatic individuals.


"The fact that HSV-1 DNA was discovered in such a high percentage of healthy people in the general population tells us that the virus is everywhere and it's unavoidable," said Dr. Kaufman, who developed the first effective antiviral drug for herpes infections of the eye.

And here's a link to a more comprehensive version of the original study:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1200985/

hey sarah, wonder if she will!

euphoniaa, have you seen any percentages on population with varicella zoster type of herpes?

at the end of the day, i would say one plausible connection between viruses and ms would be that the low nutrients typically seen in ms also happen to weaken the immune system, and perhaps increase susceptibility to infection from any number of things eg candida, herpes, ebv, whatever else.

euphoniaa wrote:Well, before everyone jumps on this "cold sore" thing as yet another smoking gun in the development of MS, yet another unfair plague heaped on our poor, unfortunate population, here's an interesting article I found right after this thread began. I was doing a quick search to find the percentage of the general population that has been infected with herpes simplex 1, or cold sores, because I had always read that's an extremely high percentage of the population - just like EBV has touched almost everyone - although both can be asymptomatic.

I didn't post it at the time, because I was headed out of town for a while, but here is a link to the Science Daily article, a couple of quotes from it, and also a link to the original study.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 111129.htm

Study Finds Herpes Virus In 98 Percent Of Healthy Participants
ScienceDaily (Jan. 6, 2005) —
A study led by Dr. Herbert Kaufman, Boyd Professor of Ophthalmology at Louisiana State University Health Sciences Center in New Orleans, published in the January issue of Investigative Ophthalmology & Visual Science, found that 98% of the participants who are healthy individuals with no evidence of any symptoms did in fact shed herpes simplex virus type I (HSV-1) DNA in their tears and saliva at least once during the course of the 30-day study. The study was undertaken to assess the frequency of shedding of HSV-1 DNA in tears and saliva of asymptomatic individuals.


"The fact that HSV-1 DNA was discovered in such a high percentage of healthy people in the general population tells us that the virus is everywhere and it's unavoidable," said Dr. Kaufman, who developed the first effective antiviral drug for herpes infections of the eye.

And here's a link to a more comprehensive version of the original study:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1200985/

I think I interpret this posting by euphoniaa in the same way:

an extremely high percentage of the population - just like EBV has touched almost everyone - although both can be asymptomatic.

I have always thought that MS must be caused by wearing jeans – so many of us wear them, don't you know?!!!

wrote up 4 posts "and that's not so easy" and all have been gone when i hit submit. careful that it's not my doings. this has happened to me a lot since the change. maybe it's the computer but no problems elsewhere. anybody else having this?
no blame intended just trying to figure this out.

welp, that one posted. ?????????????????????????????

one more try. a friend of mine got a flu shot. got the flu really really bad. was told if someone has this certain virus in them and they get the shot this happens. could that happen with maybe one of the herpes--and it goes nuts?

so, got cold sores had chicken pox. got the polio shot snd whatever shots to go to school in the 50's. only took antiobiotics a couple times in my life "before." never on medication for anything. had a very very healthy life. .took care of the teeth, was numbed, put to sleep 1 time. had the silver "had it removed a few yrs. back." took the birth control pill 2 yrs in the 70's. other that until the fall in 90 and the spinal issues that's when this mess started. did the fall and stress of it trigger is it a double whammy???????????

very seldom get a cold blister since this all started and when i do it is small and short lived.