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MS is of course an autoimmune disease.

That's an interesting comment. MS research has been going on for over 70 years and to now, nobody has EVER been able to prove that theory!! In fact, in the past 10 years researchers have come up with other theories that dismiss this assumption.

Harry

HarryZ wrote:

MS is of course an autoimmune disease.

That's an interesting comment. MS research has been going on for over 70 years and to now, nobody has EVER been able to prove that theory!! In fact, in the past 10 years researchers have come up with other theories that dismiss this assumption.

Harry

reading comments like that invalidates the whole post - IMHO of course.

So Harry, if MS isnt an autoimmune disease, why do you take an immune system suppressing drug to help treat it?

Steve

BTW, have people here been able to correlate, as I mentioned in my first post, drinking milk and eating microwaved food with worse symptoms?

Steve

stevelord wrote:Is there anyone here who does NOT take an immune suppressive MS drug or do all people with MS take one?

Steve Lord

Steve, I doubt that there are very many MS patients here at all who take an "immune suppressive MS drug." The main meds that are prescribed for MS are DMDs or Disease Modifying Drugs, and they're not intended to "suppress" the immune system. (Copaxone, Rebif, Avonex, Betaseron, Tysabri, etc.)

And many of us don't take those either.

stevelord wrote:So Harry, if MS isnt an autoimmune disease, why do you take an immune system suppressing drug to help treat it?

Steve

The biggest reason that several MS patients take an immune system suppressing drug is because that is all the drug companies have ever developed for treating MS. Since the early 90's, these companies have insisted that MS must be an autoimmune disease so if we prevent, alter, suppress and whatever the immune system to try and prevent it from doing its job, then we should be able to control the disease.

But take a look at the efficacy of these drugs over the years and you can see that they provide a very minimal benefit to the MS patient. Some patients do well, others don't change at all and others become very sick when taking these drugs. And the stronger the MS drug (ie Tysabri) the bigger the side effects.

But in the past few years, researchers have questioned whether the immune system isn't just doing its job and going after inflammation in the brain that is caused by a totally different process. For years some docs have told us that the MS patient's immune system has gone wild, attacks the myelin and destroys it. But researchers have seen autopsy results in MS patients who have died from very severe MS attacks and found there is no evidence at all that the immune system was involved in the inflammed area. Of course just as the immune disease theory has never been proven, these docs can't prove their theory that something else is causing the inflammation.

Patients using these immune suppressing drugs get some relief in some cases because the immune system is being prevented from going to the inflammed area and causing more havoc. But there is a price to pay for this interference in the long term and the disease still continues to progress in the vast majority of instances.

The cause of MS is still unknown and that is why there isn't any beneficial therapy that will work for most MS patients. But if you are a drug company and want to continue to make billions of dollars off MS, then you will continue to develop more powerful and very expensive auto immune suppressive drugs that you hope patients will use for the rest of their lives!

Harry

stevelord wrote:MS is of course an autoimmune disease.

Actually, even the National MS Society doesn't make that absolute claim.

Here's a quote from the NMSS web page:
http://www.nationalmssociety.org/about- ... index.aspx

Although MS is thought by some scientists to be an autoimmine disease, others disagree strongly because the specific target of the immune attack in MS has not yet been identified. For this reason, MS is referred to as an immune-mediated disease.

Thanks for the education.

Steve Lord

welcome mr. steve lord. first, i just have to have a little fun here ;) --"but then i'll get serious i promise". ;) now, let's see, a cotton ball and thumb sucker. huuummmmh-sounds like you're trying to scam and get rich here. let's see--------------------
price of 1 cotton ball-.o1 cents
price of thumb sucking coach-.00cents
there is no research supporting this as to what mainstream med. seems to want and require
you do have you say real people that have tried this for various ailments and it has helped or cured them-
the side effects are maybe if not removed carefully fuzz stuck in the ear-
another side effect could be falling asleep and biteing the thumb-
the only comparison would be thumb suckers or non thumb suckers and cotton heads to non cotton heads

now-current prices from some what main med. has to offer
price app. tysabri--$40,ooo a yr.
dr. appt.'s etc. say $2,000 a yr.
there is 70 or 80 yrs. of research and billions spent and the best they've come up with is a "theory"
there are people useing current drugs that although they feel it's helping a little some they can't be on too long for various reasons
side effects can vary from liver, kidney, heart,brain etc. damage. and with some side effects were death.
their comparisons are in groups of people with symptoms that are named ms "based on a "theory" and there are no 100 per cent test for it and as many as 10 to 15 per cent have been misdiag. and they base it on a disease they first give to innocent little mices that isn't exactly what we're supposed to have but close enough for them and it seems to help the little fellows and those it don't they can flush--a little harder to flush us down the toilet. although?????????

so, let me see--cotton ball thumb sucker verses main stream--well that's something to think about, maybe make fun of, maybe try or flush. this is a discussion. with all due respect.

now, i'm gonna be serious -although there is usually some truth to humor

now, you say that it's imperative to get away from electronic's etc. i have read on "grounding pads" they to my understanding are to ground a person and this will take the negative impact electricity, cell towers etc. has on our bodies away. if you are not aware you can google earth grounding pads they make them for beds, floors etc. i'd think for someone as myself who is homebound pretty much and though your theory is very simple to try there are roadblocks for some. unless being gounded would help. very curious as to your answer.

also, has there been any reports of it helping spinal issues such as bone spurs, stenosis etc. it's a stretch i know but thought i'd ask.

thanks for bringing this here - until someone comes up with something that's a shoe in for us all-what's to loose-even if it helps 1. hey, i'll take one of those placebo's for life.
what's the fda gonna do as they have done with other natural things like cannibis that helps. what are they gonna do?? have the law come in and confiscate my cotton balls and threaten that i don't quit sucking my thumb i'll get fined, put in jail or if i keep up this bad behavior the thumbs may have to be removed to keep harm from myself and others.

So this was posted on an English MS forum as well.
The moderators took down all M. Lords words and threw him off.
But a lot of people have since found some fun talking about the idea.

M. Lord, perhaps you should get your meds checked?

Y

JeanDeEau wrote:So this was posted on an English MS forum as well.
The moderators took down all M. Lords words and threw him off.
But a lot of people have since found some fun talking about the idea.

M. Lord, perhaps you should get your meds checked?

Yeah, Jean, that has happened before quite a few times, why in the world would a modertor delete my post and permanently ban me from their site based on my thread rather than let the reader decide for himself or herself?

Steve

Ms. Blossom I like your style. I will answer your other questions soon but in this post first I will suggest a possible way to block the electromagnetic energy emitted by electronics which makes not only this method of stimulating immunity but all methods of stimulating immunity ineffective because it renders the immune sysem incapable of same. Please prepared for intense skepticism.

I did try a popular "grounder" it may have been, something you wear that supposedly protects you from electronic radiation. Not only did it not do that but it by itself suppressed my immunity and rendered it incapable of being stimulated. Remember as I posted that I have an advantage at knowing at all moments what my immune system status is due to a unique factor in my blood studied at various institutions and biotech companies like the VA and Genetech and Harvard.

So anyway I am very interested in the paranormal and what is called channelling, the best of the channelled entities in my humble opinion being Elias at WWW.Eliasforum .org , So he (it) claims that we humans have the innate ability to block incoming energy of all kinds, simply by intending it. I have found to my astonishment that I have a heightened ability to get some results by simply intending them and so I tried it and lo and behold it worked 100 percent, except for the microwave energy from a cell phone, I can totally block all the other types of electronic energy comimg my way simply by saying (intending), " I am blocking all the MANMADE radiation coming at me in this room." Note that you want to say MANMADE lest possibly you block the beneficial natural non manmade so called cosmic rays which stimulate immunitiy and have other broad healing effects, (protons from the sun and other stars which cchange into electrons and as they pass through the earths atmosphere. and also the energy from natural isotopes buried in the earth like cobalt 60. If I hadnt been able to block the radiation from this computer, monitor ,and modem Im using and my neighbors flat screened tv they would be frying me right now, because before I blocked them a few yearss ago I was getting fried , they were deranging and suppressing my immunity. Say this "manntra" a number of times, one time, then a minute later again , and then once again in another minute, I think I had to do that a few times to get it to stick. Whether anyone else can pull this off successfully i dont know, you may need to have some heightened ability in this regard , but you could try iti. On way to know that it worked is electronic radiation makes humans feel tired, or more tired , beginning each day after five minutes of being near enough to such energy. Check the eyes of anyone watching a flat screened tv or being too close t a regular tv, or using a computer for at least five minutes and you will note the drawn look in their eyes that is not there when away from such energy, IF I had a virus in the past, and sat down to a computer the fivus would begin to get worse at about the five minute mark coinciding with that telltale dip in my energy and tlimination of the muscle contraction from this factor in my blood.

Ok Gang, you can have some fun with that one.

Steve Lord

Blossom, do you drink any milk or eat any microwaved food?

Steve

Blossom a simpler but more tedious way of stimulating your immunitiy just as well as ORGANIC cotton in the ear would be the following which I posted on a board for ulcerative colitis which is caused by the so called cell mediated immune system attacking, thus can be reversed literally in minutes for me, and Speedi found it reversed his overnight to virtually zero symptoms after twenty straight years of illness. Tou may want to try that for a day or two, I cannot predict how many days it would take to begin to see results, maybe overnight ,or maybe two days if MS is an antibody problem , because the antibodies already formed would have te eliminated too, which make take several days I read.

Here is what you could try.

From stevelord on 2013-02-27
"Judging by these emails from a man , Speedi, who read my post about this on the internet, who has a severe 20 year history of ulcerative colitis and put into remission over night by the following method, and by my identical result with my autoimmune colitis, you should be able to put your ulcerative colitis into remissison overnight. My chronic inflammation actually disappears in ten minutes of doing this.

Simply put your hand, one hand is fine, in a similar position they use in tai chi, qi gong and falun gong, which just happens to be the same position the fetus puts his hand(s) in, that is, up chest or clavicle high, whatever is most comfortable,arm bent at the elbow, like a boxer holds his hand(s) or like you were holding a microphone to your mouth,You dont have to make a fist, you can, hold that hand reasonably still, nothing in your hand, like a fetus does. ANywhere from the sternum to the shoulder. You can walk around like this, sit or if you lie down, always lie on your back, and place your fist on your upper chest, with your fingers curled into a loose fist so that your whole flat palm doesnt lie flat on your chest/ Sleep that way too. Make sure your hand remains resting on your upper chest that way all night while you are lying on your back.

In addition make sure you dont have any electronics on which will block the effect so turn off the tv, radio, computer, put your cell phone a yard away from you. Take your watch and rings off, a la the fetus.Hopefully your adjoining neighbor wont have his flat screened tv on which can affect you via its radiation even from a distance of 15 feet.Just try it anyway and see. Try that one evening and overnight and if that doesnt get the job done, let me know here and I can add a couple of additions that should do the trick.but I dont want to make it too complicated in this poste

Dont eat any microwaved food or drunk any milk for this experiment, they are hell on autoimmune diseases. Let us know what happens, and if it works, I can suggest a much simpler way which the South African refers to that duplicate this without thte hassle of holding your hand up"

Steve Lord

PS OF course, Blossom, this hand up in thie fetal position wont work if one is taking an immune suppressive drdug.

Steve