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Is it possible that a subgroup of those labelled MS, FM, CFIDS (or whatever) actually have:

(1) genetic body structure
(2) nutrient-deficiency-caused
(3) enviro-caused (plaque, plastics, metals)

...narrow-strictured veins/arteries in at least one or more body locations, thereby causing much of their ill health?

Have you considered the diabetes connection with electrosensitivity?
Diabetes also causes peripheral circulation issues.
Have you tried reducing sugar/carb consumption at all?

IMO dysfunction in glucose metabolism is a contributer to a lot of different chronic diseases.

miri wrote:Is it possible that a subgroup of those labelled MS, FM, CFIDS (or whatever) actually have:

(1) genetic body structure
(2) nutrient-deficiency-caused
(3) enviro-caused (plaque, plastics, metals)

...narrow-strictured veins/arteries in at least one or more body locations, thereby causing much of their ill health?

Miri's comment is in line with my thinking.

In Multiple Sclerosis blood vessels "deformed" by childhood
stress cannot accommodate the blood flow. I believe the auto-immune activity is secondary to the true cause of MS, blood refluxes which injure the brain and spinal cord. The origin of the refluxes may be structural 1) CCSVI vein stenosis (as proposed by Professor Zamboni) and/or cerebrospinal fluid pressure or 2) it may be a stress reaction to toxicity.

Let's re-think first causes. And then move on to real solutions.

Epidemiological studies on MS show that those who grow up close to the equator have less chance to develop MS than those living in latitudes closer to the poles. It is the latitude where one lives before age 15 that counts, not where one lives subsequently. It is therefore thought that the lack of sunlight – hence Vit D – is a factor in susceptibility to MS. Vit D is recommended for M.S. patients.

But perhaps a better explanation of the geographical factor is Winter Cold.

The shoulders and neck typically tense up under stress thus restricting circulation to and from the brain. Cold weather stiffens the muscles. Winters bring the body aches of colds and flus. Illness itself (e.g. Clamydia Pneumoniae, Mononucleosis, Lyme disease, Guillaume Barré) may damage the cell walls and valves of the vascular system.

It is also said that MS patients tend to be high powered, ambitious people. Tensed up in other words. MS cases cluster in northern Europe and North America. Let’s say growing up in a culturally demanding family environment (or in any case stressful) while subject to Cold weather and frequent colds and flus actually compresses and deforms the circulatory system in the child’s developing body.By the time he/she reaches age 15, the stunted blood vessels can no longer accommodate the blood flow. MS first appears in adolescents, seldom in children. Let’s compare the deformity to ancient Chinese footbinding where the tiny child’s foot cannot support the adult woman.

Food intolerances, especially to wheat and dairy products, can further compound the stress. The Neolithic agricultural revolution dates back not much more than 10,000 years, a blink of the eye in terms of biological evolution. Bowel problems are a sure sign of food “stress”. The significant increase in MS cases in Japan over the past 30 years points to food toxicity as root cause.

And the disadvantage of being female. Between puberty and menopause at least two-thirds of MS patients are women. This implies that gynecological problems (including menstrual cramps and birth control pills) both stress and require "poisoning" treatment which impact negatively the vascular system. Perhaps monthly menstrual cramps in a growing girl actually "stunt" the circulatory system. Perhaps female hormones affect the vascular system negatively. Factors of Stress.

Maybe the real story behind MS is the damage to the blood vessels caused by growing up female in a 1) driven, ambitious or otherwise stressful family environment compounded by 2) a climate of Cold winters which contribute to 3) frequent viral illnesses compounded by 4) an intolerance to the wheat and lactose of a Neolithic diet.

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Generally in my line of thinking, not convinced about the cold bit though.

Just to add with the female bias, I think that part is related to nutrient sufficiency, if you are borderline on nutrients and every month your body goes into a peak demand period, the folicular stage then this may be enough to stress an already stressed system enough to precipitate the cascade. In addition to that, women are also much more heaviliy subjected to the self/body image and excessive dieting protocols to achieve unrealistic ideals, this generally starts at puberty and continues through early adult life, if not lifelong, this is a major factor in malnutrition.

Perhaps an element of the "away-from-the-equator" effect isn't just the cold, but rather the CHANGE in temperature from season to season. That has got to mess with your veins.

Good idea.

Hi, all, and thanks for your input! Has anyone here tried vibration machines, such as "mini crazy fit"?

I agree about both the cold theory, as well as the stress of fluctuations from freezing to boiling, messing up the system. Hey, isn't that why there's cracked sidewalks up north, vs. less of that down in hot climes?

I'm awed by vesta's post. I'd like to add observations relating to it:

(1) many northern Swedish females developed electrosensitivity, Just imagine, the combo of genetically narrower arteries, combined with contraction from cold weather, combined with heavy exposure to their high-tech world of computer tech. Computers tend to speed up metabolism, blood pressure, & replicate internal virals. What a load their arteries were forced to carry. If you read the PDF book Black On White by Granlund-Lind, you'll empathize. I noted testimonials by at least two eSensitives, that they felt so much relief upon moving to warmer, low-altitude regions. One may have been documented in the PDF, and the other in Nordstrom's Invisible Disease.
the common factor of both the eSens Swedes AND the M.S. Japanese (vesta's post) are Modern EMFs, which speed up the body; especially high GHz processors & especially ANY backlighting. High frequencies are bad. DECT phones are bad. Radio waves ditto.
They speed up blood pressure through arteries not meant for such pressure.

(2) Both Marijuana & Infrared dilate vessels. Both are therapeutic. (i've tried neither yet)
And a one-time stint via osteopath's cranio-sacral massage felt relieving to me (temp, of course)
But massage & acupuncture elsewhere in body kill me (note: they were recommended practitioners)

(3) don't laugh - but a good-natured "beaming" psychic once told me (among other stuff):
"you have poor blood flow to your brain". This was way back, decades ago.
Also, nurses always go crazy trying to find my veins. They say "you have such tiny veins!"

(4) I long ago felt very therapeutic relief dipping into Northern DeadSea Black/smelly Mudpool, after dipping awhile in the nearby saltSea, under a June sun. After approx. 15 min. in the (quicksand-style) mudpool, i began feeling a very therapeutic PULL-PULLING. I never before, nor after, ever felt such relief. Imagine, me, for whom no homeopathics work. Me, for whom placebo-effect never happens. But yet, I got relief upon salt-sea, PULLING-mudpool(sequence).
..this is an absolute true story. And the plot thickens, because an elderly friend, back in the 1920s obtained a cure of her paralysis at the Ciochocinek area of Poland, where a doctor advised her to take a series of 20 salt-mud, salt-mud, salt-mud baths(sequenced). AND it was outdoors. She had told me these exact words: "It was SCARY". From that I deduced that it probably PULLed her in (as in suck-suck).
Do Leeches act similarly??
By contrast:
Stupid marketed clay baths (bentonite, top brands) never helped, rather stress of the messy tub.
Ditto re: ingested Terramin, which merely caused me throat irritation (sensitive mucosa)
Ditto re: stupid marketed salt-packs, which only increased my b.p. causing me flu-like aches/migraine

Finally, this may interest, as it somewhat mimicks my DeadSea On-Site experience:
http://www.eytonsearth.org/tdp-mineral-lamp-clay.php

To Caveman & maybe Centenarian100, re: blood glucose angle: That was ruled out by blood tests over the years, but even thick-blood-plus-plaque benefits by less-narrow channels. What I usually have is high bilirubin (since youth), and most recently, 102 LDL. Lately: Tachycardia & high-b.p.

miri wrote:combined with heavy exposure to their high-tech world of computer tech. Computers tend to speed up metabolism, blood pressure

Electricity and magnetism are two sides of the same coin. EMF is everywhere there is electric current, e.g., light bulbs, refrigerators, ovens, fans, wires, etc. It's not just from computers and TVs. It would be difficult to escape EMF in the modern world. I suppose one could always live in a cabin in the wilderness like Richard Proenneke, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Proenneke.

Precisely what the Swedes were forced to do by their Big Industry (Telia etc) in cahoots with their govt & mercenary medical jerks who confiscated their extensive testimonials, wishing to avoid disclosure.

this is an interview with Nordstrom, author Invisible Disease:
http://www.feb.se/ARTICLES/GunniNordstrom.html

And granted, EMF is everywhere, but at least sensitive people worldwide can now somewhat attempt to protect themselves, such as trying:

• low-watt netbooks +dim screens (intel atom 1.66ghz or lower, asus EEE-PC, Acer Aspire One, some HP Mini's
• Pixel Qi screens using Epaper mode
• Fit PC2 mini towers

Great input. No doubt EMF exposure a major factor, perhaps more than diet in the case of Japan. (And besides the toxicity of modern high tech equipment, just the fact of bending the head backwards to look at the screen has to restrict blood flow and create upper back tension.) (I forgot to log out yesterday.)

Also, I give myself daily TENS (electrical stimulation) acupressure treatments. Once I heard about Dr Zamboni's blood reflux theory I began the self treatments and was shocked to realize I could stop an attack doing so. (It didn't feel very remarkable when I did it, but next morning the attack was just gone.) It's easy and the equipment inexpensive (around $60) I describe it on my site under the blog post title Acupuncture. If I had done this 20 years ago I wouldn't need a cane today. Could kick myself because I had the equipment but listened to a donkey Doctor who discouraged me.

mini crazy fit ? - will look it up, but anything which relaxes and reduces body tension should enhance blood flow. I think everyone with MS should use some kind of daily massage on the back and neck.

What model do you use? I can't figure out how what is shown actually works. Thanks

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Vibration machines are one of my "irons in the fire", but i remember in the past FMers raved over it (when tried at their doctors' offices). Also saw a youtube video plus amazon reviews. The oscillating-pivot kind is said to put less stress on body, whereas the linear-piston kind is said to be less desirable.
P.S. You may wanna see my edit (in pink-color) in response to NHE

Despite the LIEbels the SS(stealthcare-system) pins on us,
I bet a cross section of MS, FMS, Electrosensitives, Geriatrics & Lyme and more,
not only have plaque/toxin constrictions, but also may relate to this
VATA-KAPHA article http://www.yogachicago.com/mar07/gran.shtml

There's so many alternative paths containing truth. For examples, in the past I was tempted by:
Beck blood-electrifier combined with silver pulser (not tried yet).
..After all, it also mimicks my real therapeutic DeadSea-saltSea-mudpool under-the-sun sequence
..After all, it also mimicks the eytonsearth TDP-lamp-Clay article. (not tried yet)
But there's just so much money & psychic energy to spare. I'm drained by all i've tried by now. (myriads)

P.S. By comparison, Quantum Physics diagnostics (emphasis on dx) such as ROFES & lifesystemusa (see their split-screen thumbnails) do not LIEbel people. Rather quantum physics taps into God, to be thorough in a non-invasive way. Naturally, they call themselves "biofeedback" else be jailed by the FDA-raiders! That's why Hutchinson (of Hutchinson Effect) fled to Canada, and SCIO's creator relocated to Hungary. (OK, so they're offbeat, go figure..

Miri:
Thanks for the info on mini crazy fit. If an osteopath's cranio-sacral massage helps, maybe you should have that done say once a month. Makes sense since the work is intended to enhance blood and cerebrospinal fluid circulation.

No problem As for craniosacral, i wish i had a magic genie, to do it in my home when i have time here & there. As stated previously, i've so much waiting on the back burner, and osteopathic isn't actually my top priority, since it's only temp anyway, and takes up alot of time.
(that's how the "system" is - too draining for it to pay.

What would be more priority for me (when i get the chance), would be the mini crazy or TDP lamp plus wet-clay as shown on eytonsearth, or:

if i only had the proper setup in my bathroom area, with well-situated outlets, I'd try clay-baths again (however stupid the clays are), but this time in conjunction with FIR...
...as per this protocol:
http://user.xmission.com/~total/temple/ ... sauna.html

DISCLAIMER:
I would never want to use FIR alone, without being inside mud or bathwater, and periodically sipping water for fear that it would be too "incinerating" to me.