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I'm showing the common signs of having MS. It's going to be a rough time to even get some tests done to see if I'm positive for having MS. There is a free clinic in my city that I can go to, but they only call you back when they are testing for what you have or think you have. I do not have any kind of insurances; state or otherwise. I don't work either. Just wanted to say hello and see if anyone in my area would know of some way to get better help on getting a positive or negative diagnosis.

Welcome to ThisIsMS, robninja.

Before expensive tests even existed to diagnose MS, doctors used to diagnose MS on the basis of symptoms and if those symptoms temporarily worsened when the patient sat in a hot bath for a while. You will need a neurologist and testing for an "official" MS diagnosis.

All best to you.

hi and welcome

if you are in tough economic straits I could possibly do for you what I have done for another member here in the past - provide ideas on how to reallocate food budget dollars to minimize disease risk.

I know from personal experience exactly how hard it can be to eat healthfully on a very, very tight budget.

no harm seeing if we can do some good anyway!!

What ever money you have I would use it to eat the fruits and vegetables. That is the only way to get your health back. Let Dr. Bergman explain autoimmune disease to you.

not a valid scientific claim, want2bike..

for perspective, I have permanent spinal cord damage from a long term pure vegetarian diet. I consider myself very lucky to have been able to achieve partial recovery..

Not sure how you can relate your injury to the failure of eating meat. The animals you are eating get there nutrients from the vegetation they eat. It you eat a variety of vegetation you will be able to get the same nutrients. There are many people in the world who live healthy lives without eating meat. Dr. Campbell spent his life doing the China study showing the health of eating fruits and vegetables. Do you think it was bad science? What kind of science can you post saying eating meat is essential for good health. When God put Adam and Eve in the garden he told them to eat the fruits and vegetables. Do you think God made a mistake when he didn't tell them they should eat meat? The problem we have today with eating vegetables is the GMO and pesticide issue. The problem gets worse when we eat animals. These poisons get stored in their fat just as it is stored in our fat. They use more antibiotics on the animals than they use on us. Unless you are eating organic this is a major problem with your health.



http://ezinearticles.com/?Eat-Healthy-W ... &id=115308

extremely well documented in the literature.

VITAMIN, MINERAL & NUTRITION RELATED SYNDROMES http://neuromuscular.wustl.edu/nother/vitamin.htm#B12
how our herbivorous animal friends get their b12: • Ruminant bacteria produce B12. • Gorillas eat insects. • Hind gut fermenters – bacterial fermentation produces B12. • Rabbits eat their feces to get B12 produced in cecum. • Some herbivores ingest soil with cobalt, which is required by some bacteria to produce B12. • Humans cannot get B12 from their bacteria because absorption of B12 occurs before the cecum.

the china study included meat as well as vegetables. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 4998007188

tip of the iceberg of science linking b12 and human health:
MRI appearances in subacute combined degeneration of the spinal cord due to vitamin B12 deficiency.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC486705/
Maternal vegan diet causing a serious infantile neurological disorder due to vitamin B12 deficiency
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01963568
Micronutrient challenges across the age spectrum: Is there a role for red meat? (2013)
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1 ... ated=false
"The fossil record indicates that early man evolved as an omnivore, with meat representing a significant source of protein and nutrients"
from the same article "national dietary surveys indicate that UK diets can be low in nutrients typically found in red meat, e.g. vitamin B12, vitamin D, iron, magnesium, zinc, selenium and potassium, particularly among low-income groups, teenagers and females."

and as for biblical food recommendations, we've already been over this: http://www.thisisms.com/forum/introduct ... ml#p217988
"genesis 9:3, everything that lives and moves." hopefully that excludes people. and cloven hooved cud chewers of course. speaking of which.. and if we're not supposed to eat meat, why on earth do we have to have specific rules about which animals are unclean, per Leviticus..?

rob, if you come back, do let me know if you want to go over things dietary

Dr. Campbell does not promote meat in his China Study. Dr. Campbell made it clear in his studies that animal protein was related to disease. Eating sick animals will make you sick. If you can't get enough vitamins and minerals from the food they make supplements. Better to get nutrition from plants.

there was most certainly meat in the diet of the china study participants. it's right there plain and simple, in black and white, in the abstract.

Of coarse there was meat eaten in the China study. Dr. Campbell tells us that when the amount of animal protein was increase in the diet he saw an increase in disease. That is why he say a vegan diet is the best. The China Study does not tell us eating meat is healthy. I am sure you can find some meat eaters who want to cast doubt on the China Study but the China Study supports the vegan lifestyle.

not being a study of vegans, or even vegetarians, the china study does not provide any data to support a vegan lifestyle.

Independent effect of vitamin B12 deficiency on hematological status in older Chinese vegetarian women
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1 ... 4/abstract

Vitamin B-12 and homocysteine status among vegetarians: a global perspective
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/89/5/1693S.full
"the studies we reviewed showed reduced mean vitamin B-12 status and elevated mean homocysteine concentrations in vegetarians, particularly among vegans. Low vitamin B-12 intake may lead to decreased bioavailability and functional deficiency of cobalamin. Although early noticeable symptoms of vitamin B-12 deficiency are nonspecific (unusual fatigue, digestion problems, frequent upper respiratory infections), the best-known clinical manifestations of cobalamin malabsorption are hematologic (pernicious anemia) and neurologic symptoms. Hyperhomocysteinemia is associated with an increased risk of atherosclerosis and cardiovascular disease."

you mentioned that you're a fan of salmon yourself. if you are considering transitioning to vegan, i can help you avoid some of the more serious pitfalls b12 and otherwise.. i was vegan for 15 years.

rob, sorry to hijack your topic with this back and forth :S

I get my B12 from a multivitamin, fermented vegetables, and kombucha tea. In the beginning B12 was not a problem but with modern day farming it is. Modern day farming has taken many of the nutrients out of the food we eat. I try and grow as much of the food as I can. The real problem with eating animals is you become what you eat. If you are eating steroids, growth hormones, pesticides, insecticides, GMO's, heavy metals and an assortment of chemicals that will become part of you. Just as we store poisons in our fat so do the animals. These poisons are fat soluble and are more present in the animals than in vegetables. If you choose to eat animals best to eat organic. I am not a pure vegan but I do the best I can. It is hard to eat out and be a vegan. Not a problem when eating at home. If I were giving dietary advise I would be more concerned about the problems with eating animals than eating vegetable. The facts are clear.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/artic ... -drug.aspx

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/kombucha ... efits.html

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/artic ... t-two.aspx

http://www.probioticscenter.org/fermented-vegetables/

re b12 - not to mention the salmon.
once again, no arguments re the widely recognized issues with industrial food production.