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Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 6:50 pm
by CureOrBust
well, i accidently came accross some more info on it myself.
FTY720 is a derivative of ISP-1 (myriocin), a fungal metabolite of the Chinese herb Iscaria sinclarii as well as a structural analog of sphingosine.
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ok, so i guess my question now is, has anyone any experience or knowledge of "Iscaria sinclarii"?

:(

Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 7:58 pm
by jimmylegs
sorry cob, i think i recall looking up the original post item and not finding anything useful.

Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 6:10 am
by carolew
fingolimod is FTY720 indeed... :) Carole

fungalicious

Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 6:57 am
by jimmylegs
perhaps it is isaria sinclairii, cure? "Isaria sinclairii, a traditional Chinese medicine composed of the fruiting bodies of I. sinclairii and its parasitic host larva" <shortened url>

here is a link to some info, isaria's at the bottom of the list
http://www.hiddenforest.co.nz/fungi/fam ... taceae.htm

also:
so, when you want to read about it in supplement form you look for cordyceps, apparently. this gets far better shopping type results in google than the latin name.
here's where i found the name cordyceps
http://planetherbs-com.site-etc.net/dis ... 1149367524
and here's one online store selling the supplement but i haven't done really any reading about it and i don't know or use this product or this store:
http://www.1fast400.com/i24_Cordyceps.html

and:

J Antibiot (Tokyo). 1994 Feb;47(2):208-15.
Fungal metabolites. Part 11. A potent immunosuppressive activity found in Isaria sinclairii metabolite.
Fujita T, Inoue K, Yamamoto S, Ikumoto T, Sasaki S, Toyama R, Chiba K, Hoshino Y, Okumoto T.
Faculty of Pharmaceutical Sciences, Kyoto University, Japan.

A potent immunosuppressive activity was found in the culture broth of the fungus Isaria sinclairii (ATCC 24400). The metabolite, ISP-I ((2S,3R,4R)-(E)-2-amino-3,4-dihydroxy-2- hydroxymethyl-14-oxoeicos-6-enoic acid, myriocin = thermozymocidin) suppressed the proliferation of lymphocytes in mouse allogeneic mixed lymphocyte reaction, but had no effect on the growth of human tumor cell lines. It also suppressed the appearance of plaque-forming cells in response to sheep red blood cells and the generation of allo-reactive cytotoxic T lymphocytes in mice after intraperitoneal or oral administration. The metabolite was 10- to 100-fold more potent than cyclosporin A as an immunosuppressive agent of the immune response in vitro and in vivo, and appears to be a candidate for clinical application as a powerful immunosuppressant.

Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:28 pm
by CureOrBust
I got my hands on some "Cordyceps". When I first opened the pack, something smelt very familiar. NOW i have realized that the capsules smell like chocolate cake mix!

Ginseng--Fatigue Trial and for Neuroprotection?

Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 6:30 pm
by Shayk
Hi all

VerminSquibble mentioned a possible ginseng trial for fatigue in another thread. Here’s a link to a little bit of info about that trial. You have to scroll down a bit to find it.

The ginseng trial is also mentioned, along with other familiar (omega 3’s, yoga, Swank Diet), complementary approaches in another very understandable (IMO) presentation from the MS Care Consortium Conference in June 2006.

Future Research in CAM and MS by V. Yadav, M.D.

And, here are a couple of abstracts about ginseng and gensenosides. Besides possibly helping with fatigue, it also seems to have the potential to provide some neuroprotection via several mechanisms, including “ameliorating” mitchondrial dysfunction, that’s been discussed recently.

Use of Ginseng in Medicine with Emphasis on Neurodegenerative Disorders
recent research has suggested that some of ginseng's active ingredients also exert beneficial effects on aging, central nervous system (CNS) disorders, and neurodegenerative diseases. In general, antioxidant, anti-inflammatory, anti-apoptotic, and immune-stimulatory activities are mostly underlying the possible ginseng-mediated protective mechanisms.
I know the “immune-stimulatory” activities mentioned there will be of concern to some and I’m sorry I really don’t have any more info about that. Now to the second abstract,

Protective Effect and Mechanism of Ginsenosides on CNS in Animals
The mechanism of the protective effect on CNS involves the effects on calcium channel blockade, glutamate and gamma-aminobutyric acid, antiperoxidation, estrogen-like action, nitric oxide and its synthase, also the inhibition on cerebral nerve cell apoptosis and amelioration on mitochondrial dysfunction, etc.
Ginseng just might turn out to be a winner for people with MS. :) It's nice to know there is a trial.

Sharon

Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 5:07 am
by verminsquibble
Shayk,
I had read about the trial for ginseng off of the NMSS website, but was unaware of the details until you had posted them. It looks like the trial will be using American Ginseng , which is different from Panax Ginseng (also known as Asian Ginseng).
Use of Ginseng in Medicine with Emphasis on Neurodegenerative Disorders
recent research has suggested that some of ginseng's active ingredients also exert beneficial effects on aging, central nervous system (CNS) disorders, and neurodegenerative diseases. In general, antioxidant, anti-inflammatory, anti-apoptotic, and immune-stimulatory activities are mostly underlying the possible ginseng-mediated protective mechanisms.
I know the “immune-stimulatory” activities mentioned there will be of concern to some and I’m sorry I really don’t have any more info about that. Now to the second abstract,

Protective Effect and Mechanism of Ginsenosides on CNS in Animals
The mechanism of the protective effect on CNS involves the effects on calcium channel blockade, glutamate and gamma-aminobutyric acid, antiperoxidation, estrogen-like action, nitric oxide and its synthase, also the inhibition on cerebral nerve cell apoptosis and amelioration on mitochondrial dysfunction, etc.
The neuroprotective effects from the studies you provided the abstracts for looked at Panax Ginseng. You can read a little from the links I provided that American and Panax Ginseng have different properties. One of the studies directly states that it looked at Panax Ginseng, and while the other did not my inclination it to believe that it also did as it was published in a Chinese journal. The long and short of it all is that I wouldn't be surprised if the trial looking at American Ginseng for fatigue in MS will find little or no effect. They need to be looking at the Panax variety.

VS

The Effect of ginkgo biloba on MS

Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 5:35 am
by Kt
I used to take ginkgo biloba suplements and found they had an impact on my concentration and overall mood.

I found that I could concentrate on something for a significantly longer period of time and didn't get bored so easily. I need to start taking them again! On the flip side, my health had deteriated to a point where I couldn't drive or walk, even with 2 sticks and I couldn't say if the ginkgo biloba supplements helped me to start getting better or if it was down to the Omega 3 oils or the change in exercise routine but I started drving again and walking with 1 stick. However I recently made huge changes to my diet and started taking Glyconutrients. I can walk significantly further with 1 stick and more steps with no aids and generally feel significantly better but I have recently stopped working, which has meant that my stress load is significantly less.

Whatever it is I am not going to go back to my old diet or stop taking the GlycoNutrients now.

brain food

Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 5:41 am
by jimmylegs
i'm a total tard without my ginkgo!

Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 6:27 am
by Kt
I will start taking it again! BUT I wouldn't say that I went downhill when I stopped taking the Ginko. It was all the other enviromental factors that were the accelarator for my sudden and dramatic decline 3years ago. The climb back to normality is proving to be very slow and discouraging at times. Without my man I wouldn't be as far up this drasted hill as I am.

Where do you get your Ginko from?

no special place

Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 11:06 pm
by jimmylegs
i just get it from one local shop or other. i think the ones i have now were just in the health food section at the grocery!

Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 8:09 pm
by jim4030
Toooooo bad would not be able to get the "pleasant buzz".. :twisted: ... that would be really nice to get this "pleasant Buzz" but no side effect with the reseach ... hahaha.. would it not be nice to be out of letargy too.. hahaha...
:twisted:

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 4:59 am
by Melody
quote="CureOrBust"]

He said that without it, his spacicity would make doing almost anything impossible. I was wondering if others who have tried it, have you noticed reduced spacicity? Without severe lethargy added by the drug?[/quote]


I know a few people on it actually quite a few some are on sprays other's grow their own and some prescribed smoke. I've noted severe lethargy in some and as usual with that specific drug you also get the ones it appears to calm down. All in all I think it likely depends on metabolism. If you have always been fidgety and hyper it MIGHT help you. If you are laid back IMO it won't. Keep in mind it makes you anxious when smoked much the same as cigs and is a toxin. John smoked for years and he only stopped when he had health issue's and we were removing toxins. John was always on the hyper side so it calmed him down. The odd thing is he is no longer hyper so it that what caused him to appear hyper for years? I don't know and as usual more questions then answers.


Now Ian it could well be the English equivalent to drinking us Canadian girls pretty. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 12:13 pm
by Loobie
I smoke it for relief of spasticity and bladder function. I've done many experiments with quitting and seeing how it goes. I'm firmly convinced that it helps me alot. I have to admit that I worry about the addiction. It is addictive. Even if it is only mildly addictive in that you don't get physical symptoms; just intense cravings like when you try to quit ciggys.

I had quit one time for 4 months and my bladder function steadily declined until I smoked again. I'm not kidding. It's one of those razor's edge things. If you play too much, it will bite you, but if you use it when you need to, it is very helpful.

And as Forrest says: "That's all I have to say about that".

Bioprospecting

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 2:26 am
by NHE
This article from the Seattle Times is not specific to MS but it will likely be of interest to anyone who's interested in the "Natural Approach".

NHE

Bioprospecting: Who has rights to nature's cures?
By Rick Vecchio, The Associated Press

JUNIN, Peru — In a small storefront on a bleak, wind-swept Andean plateau, Timotea Cordova offers an oxygen-deprived visitor a traditional elixir to ward off the breathless effect of the high altitude.

Dropping a few shriveled tuber roots into a blender, the 80-year-old Quechua Indian shopkeeper promises with a playful glance that the concoction also will provide a leg up later in the bedroom.

For hundreds of years, Quechua Indians have grown maca, the frost-resistant root that thrives in these frigid Andean highlands, to boost stamina and sex drive. The root, they believe, is nature's bounty and belongs to everyone and to no one in particular.

Maca growers and indigenous organizations were outraged when, in 2001, a New Jersey-based company, PureWorld Botanicals, received a U.S. patent for exclusive commercial distribution of an extract of maca's active libido-enhancing compounds that it branded as MacaPure.

Peruvian officials called the patent an "emblematic case" of biopiracy and are set to challenge it in U.S. courts.

The maca dispute is just the latest collision between indigenous people and commercial interests over so-called bioprospecting, the growing practice of scouring the globe for exotic plants, microbes and other living things for commercial exploitation.

Bioprospecting has huge potential for good, say researchers who go to sea, climb mountains and trek to obscure corners of the world in search of exotic and undiscovered life.

A 2005 U.N. University report concluded that 62 percent of all cancer drugs were created from bioprospecting discoveries.

The venom of a deadly sea snail found off the coast of the Philippines led Elan Pharmaceuticals to develop the painkiller Prialt, which U.S. regulators approved in 2004. The key ingredient in the breast-cancer drug Taxol owned by Bristol-Myers Squibb is taken from the bark of the yew tree, and Wyeth's kidney-transplant drug Rapamune comes from Easter Island soil.

But bioprospecting is mostly unregulated, and there are mounting calls to establish legal frameworks for such work.

The Convention on Biological Diversity produced at the 1992 Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro entitled nations to a share of the profits from substances yielded by their flora and fauna. It was ratified by 188 countries — but not the United States, which argues that such a requirement stifles innovation and would undermine the patent system.

That hasn't stopped some of the world's poorest countries, which also hold the richest pockets of natural biodiversity, from fighting to apply the convention to international patent law.

India has had the most success, most recently persuading the European Patent Board of Appeals to invalidate a 1994 patent granted to U.S.-based W.R. Grace & Co. for an insecticide derived from neem seeds.

Peru and Brazil, both at the forefront of the biopiracy debate, have been less persuasive.

Brazil, which has some of the world's strictest regulations to prevent the removal of genetic materials from the Amazon, has been hard-pressed to demonstrate a single case of biopiracy before the World Trade Organization.

Attempts by Peruvian indigenous groups, meanwhile, ultimately failed to overturn U.S. patents based on ayahuasca, a hallucinogenic plant used for centuries in religious and healing ceremonies, and nuna, a nutritious Andean bean that pops when toasted.

Peru hopes the MacaPure dispute will become a pivotal case in attempts to require all patent applications to disclose the source of genetic materials.

Alejandro Argumedo, a Quechua Indian agronomist and activist, says the French company that bought PureWorld in 2005, Naturex, has no right to "privatize knowledge that belongs to an entire region."

Naturex's marketing manager, Antoine Dauby, says the company acknowledges that maca's beneficial properties were long ago discovered by indigenous Peruvians. He says its patent lets them "grow, sell and use maca as they have for centuries."

"Our patent is for the extraction and isolation of maca's key ingredient — and nothing else," said Dauby. As a good-faith gesture, he said, Naturex is offering to grant free licenses to Peruvian companies to use MacaPure in their products.

Qun Yi Zheng, PureWorld's former president and chief scientist, said the company invested more than $1 million and three years of research in the endeavor and that it popularized maca as a worldwide Peruvian export.

A wide range of maca-based products — from powders and pills to jams and candies — has helped triple Peru's exports of the plant from $1.3 million in 2000 to more than $3 million annually since 2003, according to the Exporters Association of Peru.

Zheng's peer-reviewed study, published in the journal Urology in April 2000, showed that MacaPure greatly improved penile dysfunction in castrated rats. Also, lab mice fed the stuff for 22 days engaged in sexual intercourse up to 67 times in a three-hour period, compared with 16 times by less randy rodents deprived of the extract.

Peru contends PureWorld's alcohol-based extraction process simply mimics the centuries-old practice by Andean people of soaking dried maca root in Andean moonshine to release the libido boosters.

But providing scientific proof to show PureWorld's formula falls short of a "novel" and "useful" invention has proven elusive.

"We don't have the technology for this analysis and we have had to turn to a scientist in the United States who offered to do the analysis for free," said Manuel Ruiz, a director at the nonprofit Peruvian Society for Environmental Law and a member of Peru's National Anti-Biopiracy Commission.

Peru has also enlisted the pro bono help of Washington attorney Jorge Goldstein to prepare a legal challenge. He is examining, among other things, archives from rural Peruvian universities to demonstrate that the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office failed to consider "prior art" — pre-existing knowledge that could be used to overturn the patent.

Chris Kilham, who conducted the initial field research for MacaPure in the Peruvian highlands, says he can see the issue from both sides.

"PureWorld, which did all of this work, found compounds that nobody knew existed before," said Kilham, a professor of ethnobotany at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst.


"On the other hand, the native people from whom the knowledge of especially the sexual applications of maca arise were not at all considered in these patents."

The specter of biopiracy in Peru dates back to the 1630s, when Jesuit priests took bark from the Peruvian cinchona tree — the original source of quinine — back to Europe, where it was hailed as a cure for malaria.

Peru never got wealthy from the discovery.

Cinchona seeds were smuggled by the Dutch from Peru in the 19th century and planted in Java. Indonesia became the world's primary source of quinine.

The image of the cinchona tree was put on the Peruvian flag — a constant reminder of Peru's unrewarded contribution to one of the most important breakthroughs in medical history.