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Occam's Razor

Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 7:45 pm
by smokey
Occam's razor (or Ockham's razor[1]) is the principle that "entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity" (entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem). The popular interpretation of this principle is that the simplest explanation is usually the correct one...........

Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 7:55 pm
by cheerleader
yup.
http://www.thisisms.com/ftopicp-85770-razor.html#85770
The problem with the EAE model, Bill, is that in order to create it, you need to inject a foreign antigen into the body...so the assumption is that some foreign matter enters the CNS and creates this reaction.

In encephalomyelitis (a differential for MS)- the reaction of inflammation and demyelination is created by a virus or vaccine.

Putnams' dogs developed an encephalitic reaction (inflammatory/demyelination) that looked just like MS WITHOUT introducing any foreign matter....simply by blocking the cerebral veins. Ockham's Razor.

Why do we continue to use a model which needs that extra step of foreign matter injection into the CNS of animals? I think it's because immunologists can "cure" EAE....but it takes a VASCULAR doctor to stop venous reflux and congestion. Venous doctors have never studied MS...until now.
cheer

Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 8:05 pm
by smokey
Awwww, thought I might have been original.....never mind. Still a damn fine principle.

Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 8:14 pm
by cheerleader
smokey wrote:Awwww, thought I might have been original.....never mind. Still a damn fine principle.
Ockham and Zamboni are the originals :)
and I agree with you 100%, smokey-

Re: Occam's Razor

Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 8:19 pm
by sbr487
smokey wrote:Occam's razor (or Ockham's razor[1]) is the principle that "entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity" (entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem). The popular interpretation of this principle is that the simplest explanation is usually the correct one...........
This is especially true in case of MS since routine method of explaining MS has failed for such a long time. As they say, when everything fails, start all over again. Thats the damn thing the neuros are not capable of. They dont want to climb down from the castles they have build in air all over the years ...

Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 8:20 pm
by smokey
Too true!

May Occam and Zamboni be eternally cited!

It's a privilege to be at the cutting edge.

Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 1:11 am
by cah
The naysayers always talk about "Zamboni's theory" in a way that suggests that he's on his own with this in order to make it look alien. But as we all know, he isn't. There's a bunch of specialists which not only have adopted the theory but actively contribute to it. We shouldn't talk about Zamboni alone.

Don't know if Occam was on his own, though... :wink:

Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 1:36 am
by LR1234
More and more top vascular specialists are coming on board so like you have said Zamboni is not a lone ranger, he is part of a growing army:)

I reckon by this time next year CCSVI will be recognised as a treatable condition in every country. I don't think it can ever be suppressed now, the banks have burst!!:)

Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 10:49 am
by Cece
LR1234 wrote:I reckon by this time next year CCSVI will be recognised as a treatable condition in every country.
except the US and Canada.... :(

Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 11:56 am
by 1eye
I have at times tried to make a list of countries where Liberation is allowed:

Bulgaria
Italy
Germany
France
UK
US (if not in a trial. otherwise IRB footdrag)
Poland
Mexico
NOT CANADA
Kuwait
Jordan

any other? I can't remember them all.

Occam's -- A great shave, every time...

Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:05 pm
by ErikaSlovakia
1eye wrote:I have at times tried to make a list of countries where Liberation is allowed:

Bulgaria
Italy
Germany
France
UK
US (if not in a trial. otherwise IRB footdrag)
Poland
Mexico
NOT CANADA
Kuwait
Jordan

any other? I can't remember them all.

Occam's -- A great shave, every time...
- Slovakia - so far 8 procedures, they use stents, doctors are not sure yet but so far they "only" had to have permission from the hospital
- Czech Republic - 12 procedures - I do not have any other details
Erika

Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:23 pm
by PCakes
costa rica
australia

Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:24 pm
by Cece
Egypt, Costa Rica, India

Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 11:59 pm
by LR1234
Serbia