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Ontario Will NOT Fund Clinical Trials

Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 1:08 pm
by Blaze
Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty has just announced Ontario will NOT fund clinical treatment trials of MS--unlike Saskatchewan, which yesterday announced they would. McGuinty and Health Minister Deb Matthews have said more scientific evidence is needed. How do we get scientific evidence without the trials?

I can't help but believe the letter of MS Society to all Ontario MPPs advising them NOT to fund CCSVI treatment has influenced this decision.

Hopefully, the Charter Challenge through Angioplasty for All will get their attention.

Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 5:44 pm
by Hockeydad
I saw in an interview that he's sympathetic to the cause as his uncle was an MS'er. There's a Premier's conference coming up in August and the Saskatchewan Premier has said that he'll bring it up then. Dalton's on his way out and you can bet the opposition will smell an opportunity to nail him in the press.

Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 5:54 pm
by Fernie12
Here's a link to the Globe and Mail news story:
http://tinyurl.com/2b7rbf9

Dr Sandy MacDonald's Trreatment Trial

Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 6:21 pm
by eveable
Interesting announcement by Dalton esp since Dr Sandy MacDonald at Barrie Vascular Imaging has anounced his treatment trial starting in the fall. In Barrie, Ontario.

Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:13 am
by Blaze
Actually, Eveable, Dr. McDonald does not yet have a definite timeline for his study. Dr. McDonald still requires approval and funding.

It would have been great if Ontario had stepped up and funded one of it's own who is such a leader on this.

Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 4:40 am
by Hockeydad
That"s true Blaze. I spoke to the Barrie Clinic yesterday. They are waiting on their approval to begin. They already have their team of doctors and support staff trained and ready to go. It just sucks that we have to sit and wait on some bureaucrats. BTW, who is this head of the CMA; Paul Hebert? In his interview on CTV he talked about how dangerous the procedure is and we'll be reading about how many people died from doing it!

Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 4:57 am
by Blaze
Hockeydad: I wonder if Paul Hebert has read the reports of 58 cases of brain infections and 12 deaths from Tysbari. Yet, docs are continuing to prescribe it.

Having responsible, trained physicians do the procedure is the best way to avoid or minimize risks of complications.

As Dr. Sclafani said when he was quoted in New York Times, this is like women seeking back alley abortions in the 1960s.

Instead, why are we letting the reputable ones like Dr. McDonald proceed? Or, at least give him and others the funds to do the research.

Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 7:18 am
by 81Charger
I have also heard that Nova Scotia won't finance anything either.

Glenn

Sandy MacDonald

Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 2:25 pm
by eveable
That was my point. Sandy MacDonald is waiting for funding and approval that he will now never get. I have people in my MS group waiting for that trial to start. Maybe when our charter suit gets going Dalton may have a change of heart.

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 6:58 am
by scotland
Hi
I don't think the premier of Ontario or the federal Health minister have a clue what they are looking at. Easy testing, potential easy treatment,
massive return in quality of life and drug funding.

They have this glazed look, playing the worlds largest game of " not it"

It would be perfect if Dr MacDonald could get approval for treatment on
a pay per user basis. It would beat going all over the world, and we could be monitored and go for follow up testing.

I have said it before here, the money spent on the G20 on security could have
treated every Canadian with MS at 25,000 each.
Better to suck up to 20 world leaders, than 80,000 canadians.
Scotland

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 7:09 am
by Hockeydad
I do believe that you can get any follow-up done by BVI. Angela can still scan you to see if you have re-stenosed.

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 1:24 pm
by thornyrose76
The Government of canada has blood all over its hands, this is going to come back and bite them in the a$#!

Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 7:11 am
by tazbo
Re: Ontario should ...I see this was same as earlier post...sorry.
http://www.thisisms.com/ftopict-13220.html

Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 7:48 am
by 1eye
I think the key words there are "may use" and "should be". These are weasel words. In the Internet Engineering Task Force's series of thousands of documents called RFCs for Requests For Comments, there are explanations and the mandate that all these documents capitalize to disambiguate the words MAY MUST and SHALL. The only ones that are important are MUST and SHALL, MAY only defines good or recommended practice. If anybody fails too do a thing, and there is no law saying MUST or SHALL, or they do a thing and there is a no law saying MUST NOT or SHALL NOT, well I guess they are OK. This is a good guideline, and obviously one Ontario does not care for.

Incidentally they are a Liberal government, and the Federal Liberals have a few hard advocates for the Liberation procedure in Dr. Kirsty Duncan, the Liberal health critic Dr. Carol Hughes, and M.P. Peter Julian from B.C.

The Liberal Leader, though wishy-washy on most things, I believe supports us. Why the Provincial Liberal party is so different can only be because of interest groups and lobbyists. I don't think they have quite the constraints on their behaviour that Federal Liberals do.

But they are all politicians, and I think if the email, letter, and word-of-mouth campaign that saved Barb Farrel were done again, to save the hundreds at death's door in Canada (not the thousands in the US, one step at a time), it might succeed.

Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 1:02 pm
by jimmylegs
maybe they're pulling a wait-and-see now that sk took the initiative.