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Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 3:02 pm
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This is interesting, at least specifically for Parkinsonian sham surgeries: dopamine is released by the brain as part of the placebo effect and dopamine is what's missing in Parkinson's disease.from the article wrote:A placebo—as long as the patient thinks it may be real—causes the brain to unloose a cascade of chemicals whose makeup depends on the disease. Prominent among them in Parkinson's is dopamine, the very substance whose shortage is responsible for Parkinson's tremor, walking difficulties, and other movement problems. And the placebo effect grows with the stakes and the risks. Sham brain surgery, which is about as high-risk as it gets, produces a more prominent placebo effect than lesser-risk procedures.
That would also by extension include it's limitations too... Come on Lyon don't just hone in on the lack of upside limits here.... ;)Lyon wrote:So little is known about the placebo effect that, although people try to, it's impossible to define it's limits.concerned wrote:It's interesting that he was in a wheel chair for ten years and stopped using it, I had heard that sort of thing can't happen from the placebo effect.
I was reading college level in the 9th grade, trust me, I know what you meant. In this case however, I was considering the source. So maybe the placebo effect may not have as much an impact as one would think eh? IE CCSVI and the treatment thereof is having a significant impact on a significant number of people, not so easily discounted as placebo effect, THAT can also be very true according to your original statement. Just didn't want that part to get ignored, since at first blush one probably wouldn't be inferring downside to plaebo effect, only that it's impact has no known upper limits. Catch my drift?Lyon wrote:I'm sorry, did I only specify upper limits or were you reading what you THOUGHT I meant into it?CureIous wrote:That would also by extension include it's limitations too... Come on Lyon don't just hone in on the lack of upside limits here.... ;)Lyon wrote:So little is known about the placebo effect that, although people try to, .
I was reading college level in the 9th grade, trust me, I know what you meant. In this case however, I was considering the source. So maybe the placebo effect may not have as much an impact as one would think eh? IE CCSVI and the treatment thereof is having a significant impact on a significant number of people, not so easily discounted as placebo effect, THAT can also be very true according to your original statement. Just didn't want that part to get ignored, since at first blush one probably wouldn't be inferring downside to plaebo effect, only that it's impact has no known upper limits. Catch my drift?Lyon wrote:I'm sorry, did I only specify upper limits or were you reading what you THOUGHT I meant into it?CureIous wrote:That would also by extension include it's limitations too... Come on Lyon don't just hone in on the lack of upside limits here.... ;)Lyon wrote:So little is known about the placebo effect that, although people try to, .
But what kind of results does your subconscious expect? I hear that the subconscious mind can amplify the placebo effect.but overall I can't blame this on placebo because I am uncertain how I would get placebo results where I do not expect any results.