New Medical Myths post.
Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 6:39 pm
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Hmm... Dr. Rose might be right or wrong about CCSVI, but apparently he is NOT BRIGHT or ACCURATE when it comes to money.None of this is likely to stop the likes of Marien Simka in Katowice, Poland who makes at least $500,000 per week doing “liberation”
I'm a member of the CCSVI group on facebook.CCSVIhusband wrote:personal attacks removed
Colin Rose is a cardiologist, and has a phd. on top of that. Also, he has taught at McGill, at least I think.CCSVIhusband wrote: personal attacks removed
Word, Brother.CureIous wrote:CR doesn't impress me in the least. And I'm easily impressed. While anything from him is sure to "stir a firestorm of controversy", I find ignoring it and him the best solution, why waste time on such matters? I mean, one can only so strongly affirm someone doesn't believe something, after some time of these "no, but really, I mean really, I REALLY DO NOT BELIEVE IN CCSVI" blog posts, that I think everyone kinda gets the point, has made up their mind as to his veracity or lack thereof, and is kinda over it.
Seriously though, move on.
If you disagree with someone, please succintly state why and let it go at that. Point, counterpoint, counter-counter point, etc. is not useful-- the reality is that after the first disagreement, you will rarely convince another of something they feel strongly about unless you have shocking new information to share. The drawn-out debates also turn people off from reading the messages in the first place. If you really have to get something off your chest, please send that person a Private Message-- there is no need to have a long argument in public.
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First off, $360,000 dollars a week isn't much different from $500,000 a week, some people just round up. Colin Rose says he has heard of Simka doing 10 procedures a day, 5 days a week, which is where the $500,000 number comes from.dunkempt wrote:Rose writes:
Hmm... Dr. Rose might be right or wrong about CCSVI, but apparently he is NOT BRIGHT or ACCURATE when it comes to money.None of this is likely to stop the likes of Marien Simka in Katowice, Poland who makes at least $500,000 per week doing “liberation”
Well-publicized treatment rates at the EuroMedic (where Dr. Simka practices): 6 patients a day, 6 days a week.
That's ... no, wait, I can do it in my head ... 36 patients a week.
Costs (paid this myself), also fairly well-publicized:
~$10,000
When means ... hold on ... $360,000/ a week in REVENUE.
So, assuming there were NO EXPENSES from the hospital or the MRV work, or the accommodations, and assuming that no one else (janitors, nurses, radiologists, secretaries, drivers, his fellow surgeons - for Simka does not perform the procedure himself, etc.) shared in any of that income, and assuming the schedule was never interrupted, Rose figures would still be GROSSLY WRONG.
Honestly.
Maybe that money I spent was well-spent or maybe it's all a racket, but why would you listen to someone who writes something like that?
Is he ignorant? Careless? Stupid? If there is there a fourth option, please explain.
-d
If only the same could be said (personal attacks removed) for Colin Rose's site. There's no need to engage with what he says, just knowing that he's a guy who posts pictures of strangers derisiviely mocking them for their weight pretty much says it all.Lyon wrote:personal attacks removed
Although Rose at times comes off as a "know-it all" ignoring what he says is not going to make his questions or skepticism go away. One way to quiet the likes of Rose and other "skeptics" is for Zamboni and his pals to start presenting some studies that prove CCVSVI exists and is implicated in MS. Honestly, in Rose's defense, so far his predictions about the future of CCSVI seem to be coming to fruition. There are a lot of study results in the pipeline and I guess until a study comes along with some kind of positive results more skeptics will continue to come out of the wood work!CureIous wrote:CR doesn't impress me in the least. And I'm easily impressed. While anything from him is sure to "stir a firestorm of controversy", I find ignoring it and him the best solution, why waste time on such matters? I mean, one can only so strongly affirm someone doesn't believe something, after some time of these "no, but really, I mean really, I REALLY DO NOT BELIEVE IN CCSVI" blog posts, that I think everyone kinda gets the point, has made up their mind as to his veracity or lack thereof, and is kinda over it.
Seriously though, move on.
I do not make fun of people's english, this is a twisting of a conversation here where I referred back to an entire thread of controversy over Malden's initial posts. I am guilty of not expressing myself clearly enough that it could not be twisted.concerned wrote:Cece - You certainly don't have to visit Colin Rose's site if you don't want to, but unfortunately, the moderators here aren't the moderators of the whole internet. But I guess making fun of someones command of english is much more acceptable to you than making fun of someones weight that they refuse to try and control, costing us all huge sums of money. (Making fun of peoples weight is one thing, but when they're eating Burger King poutine and smoking a cigarette and relying on healthcare to treat their diabetes, it's whole different kettle of fish.) But don't worry, we have pharmaceutical companies to provide them with expensive drugs to do with great cost to the body what some effort and a little self control could do for free!