Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 11:28 am
Sometimes we have a stance about something, we have already made our minds, and we throw 'Science' in the middle just to spin things and confuse everyone.
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Come come now, who's telling desperate people anything about a "miracle cure"? Setting the bar a bit high dont you think? Sounds a bit straw man-ish to me, but knock him down as you see fit ;)concerned wrote:The only stance I have is that I don't like telling sick, desperate people that something is a miracle cure without any science to back up the statement.
Okay. I was hoping to find these proselytizing pro-ccsvi-the-miracle-cure people that are oft-bandied about, not any particular instance of the word itself. Let me know what ya find...rainer wrote:A search for the word "miracle" finds 124 threads on the CCSVI forum. Just sayin'.
Actually is a very good analogy since you know that some patients have a defective vein and you refuse to treat it even if you acknowledge that you don't know which consequences the bad flow will have.oreo wrote:Actually I think this is a very poor analogy which only serves to make the CCSVI camp look fooloish.
By the way, have any of you heard of crash test dummies. They are used whenever testing saftey devices whose basic purpose is to save human life & limb. The testers would never put a real human life in that much danger.
Search results on TiMS for "death", "not a miracle", "paralyzed", "do not resuscitate", "I'm in a wheelchair".rainer wrote:A search for the word "miracle" finds 124 threads on the CCSVI forum. Just sayin'.
Besides, that's why God made mice, isn't it? (If not for the humourless reactions, I would think this thread should be combined with another labelled "satire".) I thought it was funny, anyway.oreo wrote:The testers would never put a real human life in that much danger.
Again, nobody sticks a catheter up his/her own groin. Decisions are made WITH doctors and some of them are the very best in their field.concerned wrote:The only stance I have is that I don't like telling sick, desperate people that something is a miracle cure without any science to back up the statement.
Those are very old carrots. Definitely outdated. For that reason alone, I would avoid them. Sorry, but those nineteenth century deaths are *all* just anecdotes.Gordon wrote:Everyone who ate carrots in the 1800's are dead... Fact
My friend you keep moving the line. Let's get to the first comment: It is not that there is "no science" behind CCSVI, it is a matter of debate right now - that what science is. And in this debate there are top doctors on both sides. Haacke for example.concerned wrote:Certainly, some of these doctors who are "the very best in their field" are saying the science just isn't there and that RCT's are needed to see if "Liberation" has any benefit.
You got the part about moving the line right ... as I've always asked, when is it EVER going to be enough?fernando wrote:My friend you keep moving the line. Let's get to the first comment: It is not that there is "no science" behind CCSVI, it is a matter of debate right now - that what science is. And in this debate there are top doctors on both sides. Haacke for example.concerned wrote:Certainly, some of these doctors who are "the very best in their field" are saying the science just isn't there and that RCT's are needed to see if "Liberation" has any benefit.
In the meantime people make choices and the DOCTORS are who intervene.