Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 3:11 pm
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Another great post. You've been on a roll....HappyPoet wrote:For whatever they're worth, here are my thoughts:
CCSVI is a theory about congenital malformations inside veins.
CCVBP is a theory about misalignment of the Atlas vertebra.
Both theories are syndromes, not diseases.
Both theories give an explanation for a BBB breach and lesion formation.
CCSVI does not cause CCVBP.
Malformed veins cannot cause an Atlas to become physically misaligned.
Expert opinion of Phlebologists
CCVBP does not cause CCSVI.
Misalignment of the Atlas cannot cause a congenital venous malformation.
Expert opinion of Dr. Flanagan
A person can have both CCSVI and CCVBP -- I was diagnosed with both.
I also had or still have both.HappyPoet wrote:For whatever they're worth, here are my thoughts:
CCSVI is a theory about congenital malformations inside veins.
CCVBP is a theory about misalignment of the Atlas vertebra.
Both theories are syndromes, not diseases.
Both theories give an explanation for a BBB breach and lesion formation.
CCSVI does not cause CCVBP.
Malformed veins cannot cause an Atlas to become physically misaligned.
Expert opinion of Phlebologists
CCVBP does not cause CCSVI.
Misalignment of the Atlas cannot cause a congenital venous malformation.
Expert opinion of Dr. Flanagan
A person can have both CCSVI and CCVBP -- I was diagnosed with both.
I can't believe I forgot this... I've read this page from Dr. Flanagan's website several times before so I must have known about this part of his theory, but... I guess I forgot (forgetfulness is a problem for me).uprightdoc wrote:The upper cervical spine plays an important role in the venous drainage system of the brain, brain blood flow and brain cooling. Back pressure against the vertebral venous outlets in the upper cervical spine can thus be a cause of CCSVI, decreased blood flow and decreased cooling capacity of the brain. An overview of the cranial veins will make the connection clear.
He is only talking about the vertebral veins here? While these are involved in cerebrospinal drainage, they are much smaller than the internal jugular viens and the azygous. Most IRs do not check the vertebral veins. Did Dr. Zamboni include them in his definition of CCSVI? Could vertebral vein compression or blockage alone be enough to be diagnosed with CCSVI using the doppler ultrasound and Zamboni criteria? If the gold standard venogram with IVUS is used to diagnose CCSVI, and checking the vertebral veins are not part of the gold standard, I must regretfully disagree that CCVMP can cause CCSVI, although it still may play a role in additional compromising of already compromised cerebrospinal drainage system.HappyPoet wrote:uprightdoc wrote:The upper cervical spine plays an important role in the venous drainage system of the brain, brain blood flow and brain cooling. Back pressure against the vertebral venous outlets in the upper cervical spine can thus be a cause of CCSVI, decreased blood flow and decreased cooling capacity of the brain. An overview of the cranial veins will make the connection clear.