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NZer1 wrote:
For instance I have had teeth taken out by dentists in the past to make room for others? I have broken teeth which had to be removed and I have had poor repair work that has meant I often use only my right side to chew on. I would assume that would create an imbalance in muscle strength and one side developing compensation to have less bite to avoid discomfort.

I my mind this would create an imbalance with on flowing alignment problems, I would also imagine the atlas and C spine could be effected.

If the atlas only moves forward and back is it likely to be the most effected?

I would also imagine that C2 would take up allot of the compensation because of the disc material?

Nigel

Nigel
Good qusetion. In my previous post I emphasised the fine balance that our body needs. Minute changes in the order of far less than a millimeter make huge differences. Someone coined the expression 'hanging by the skin of the teeth' how true this has turned out is beyond belief. Wholesale extraction of a tooth is a huge disturbance to the system and takes us away from what nature designed for us. Amputational dentistry must be totally avoided in view of recent findings.
The jaw has to compensate through habit or lack of teeth on one side to chew on the better side. This tends to make cervical asymmetry worse not restricted to C1 or C2. This causes pain and an inability to move the neck fully to one side.
The Atlas may get worse but experience after having treated over 400 patients shows that the Atlas correction holds 99% of the time so after correction it is little affected by asymetrical chewing but the effect on the rest of the cervical spine remains.

blossom wrote:dr. amir,

i had ccsvi treatment it didn't help me. i had nucca it has helped the tmj and pain. i have stenosis and bone spurs in my cervical that i feel is a big part of my problem. which i am very close to having endroscopic surgery for that. but surgery is still urgery.

dr. amir in my search i found ORAL SYSTEMIC BALANCE THERAPEUTIC SYSTEMS and dentist practicing this. they seem to be having good results. is this the same type of treatment? or have you refined your treatment differently? the dr. i read about is from the state of washington and he has trained other dentist.

The fact that CCSVI tends to relapse some 50% of the time over 18 months while in others the benefical effect only lasts a few months points to the fact that there is someother factor overiding this issue. CI correction could improve outcomes but the jaw is of equal if not more importance.
I am unable to comment on other dental therapies and must accept that they only practice it because they get results. There are hundreds of practioners out there each with their own answer. It is difficult to comment on their outcomes unless I have access to their patient records which is not possible.
If your jaw clicks or if you snore it means you need attention to the jaw especially if you have another symptom or illness like MS.

THEGREEKFROMTHED wrote:Dr Amir
Thanks for the detail. I have a jaw that pops but no neck or jaw pain etc. its a clicking jaw enough to prescribe tmj treatment? My ms is agressive and 4 yrs i do not walk. Is there hope un this treatment for one that is already lost so much mobility? Also i have had two atlas adjustments. Is it necessary to contine once adjusted. Also could you please move to michigan!

Hello
A clicking jaw needs TMD treatment. I am sorry you have lost so much mobility. It is difficult to advise you without having a full consultation. This system will be in place by the end of January when you will be able to answer a very extensive questionnaire and after uploading other photographic and radiological records I shall be able to give a more individualised reply.

PS In my younger days I nearly married a girl from Saginaw, Michigan!!!!
In a way I am glad that did not happen and fate brought me to the juncture that I am at in Great Britain.

HappyPoet wrote:Welcome Dr. Amir,

Regarding your theory, I wonder if another dental procedure can play a similar role to that of extractions. Over the years, I've spent a lot of time under the drill, and sometimes I thought my head was going to be jackhammered right off my body. I'm not talking about just fast, high-pitched drilling but rather the slow, low-pitched growl of hard-pounding drilling. I am so very thankful for the advent of conscious sedation dentistry. Do you think there are any circumstances in which heavy drilling can move the Atlas vertabrae, or am I way off base in thinking there might be a connection?

Thank you!

Dentistry is extremely gentle now. Even what you call a jack hammer is very gentle. I doubt such a procedure could shift the Atlas. After correction, in my experience, it has gone out 1% of the time, thrice following falls and once an overzealous Osteopath with a high velocity adjustment (To an already corrected Atas) to the cervical spine took the Atlas out of symmetry!

A corrected Atlas does not entirely correct the rest of the cervical spine as the whole of the cervical spine is still influenced by jaw asymmetries

Once the atlas is adjusted do we need to return to chiro??

THEGREEKFROMTHED wrote:Once the atlas is adjusted do we need to return to chiro??

Using the 'Atlasbalance' protocol the correction is permanent. I have checked patients after some 2 years and it has held together.
AO Nucca method calls upon patients to be corrected every couple of months I am informed!

Amir wrote:This system will be in place by the end of January when you will be able to answer a very extensive questionnaire and after uploading other photographic and radiological records I shall be able to give a more individualised reply.

Is there somewhere else (possibly in this thread ) with more details on this system?

CureOrBust wrote:

Amir wrote:This system will be in place by the end of January when you will be able to answer a very extensive questionnaire and after uploading other photographic and radiological records I shall be able to give a more individualised reply.

Is there somewhere else (possibly in this thread ) with more details on this system?

Hello
I should have been clearer with my post.
It is not a great idea for me to answer specific questions about specific personal medical issues without really knowing many parameters of patient history, physical exam, past medical and dental history, life style, and much more.
I could give someone misleading information and put myself in medicolegal risk. To overcome this I evolved a very extensive questionnaire which is online but I only use it at present for patients who subsequently vist so that their examination can be completed with taking of further records before I am in a position to let them know What caused their illness, why it progressed and how to go about putting it right.
After a National newspaper article in the UK I am getting far more enquiries from overseas and we have devised a format which will benefit such patients and give them a better evaluation and in the not too distant future a treatment plan while not upsetting regulatory authorities in various countries. I am hoping to start this by the end of January 2012 and shall announce it on this thread.

Will there be a cost to look at you questionnaire?

NZer1 wrote:Will there be a cost to look at you questionnaire?

Hello
I am sorry but everything has a cost attached to it. The programming costs have been phenomenal. It has taken many years of hard work to evolve to cover not only MS but also many other conditions like ME/CFS/FM/IBS etc. It is copyright protected and we are still working out how best to go about putting it out for general use; what would be best value for the patients and the time taken at our end to engage with individual cases. We are going to have a trial run in the UK and that will help finalise the structure sometime end of January when the cost etc. will be published.

Because we already have a very intensive computerised system in place we have been able to rapidly produce a new multi centre system for patients who have had CCSVI treatment. The system will monitor the outcomes where patients will be able to see statistically the merits of different procedures and what symptoms get better and what does not. How long the intervention works and why and in whom it fails. This will be amazing value not only for patients but also the practitioners conducting the surgery.

I do not seem to be able to find your surgery on Lower Richmond Road.
Is it above the Mezza Lebanese Restaurant?
Not sure why this is in the CCSVI Forum.

beerduff wrote: Not sure why this is in the CCSVI Forum.

Read post #6 on this thread, particularly the red highlighted parts.

beerduff wrote:I do not seem to be able to find your surgery on Lower Richmond Road.
Is it above the Mezza Lebanese Restaurant?

I assume you're looking on Google earth/maps.

Three buildings to the right (of Mezza) - the shop front with the black marbled front.

Access through 50A (behind) in Glendarvon Street.

My jaw clicks like crazy also. Some mornings when I wake up, it takes me several tries before I can open my mouth all the way.
I have been seeing an atlas adjuster for about a year now. (a chiropracter that specializes in adusting how your head rests on your c-spine)
I have noticed some improvements in the jaw and slight improvements in other symptoms. I would recommend anyone to try this. There are not alot of them around though.

Kathyj08 wrote:My jaw clicks like crazy also. Some mornings when I wake up, it takes me several tries before I can open my mouth all the way.
I have been seeing an atlas adjuster for about a year now. (a chiropracter that specializes in adusting how your head rests on your c-spine)
I have noticed some improvements in the jaw and slight improvements in other symptoms. I would recommend anyone to try this. There are not alot of them around though.

Any malfunction of the jaw is called Temporo-mandibular Joint Dysfunction. or TMD.

TMJ pain and tooth grinding occur because the patients’ jaw does not sit happily in the joint which articulates with the skull causing clicking and pain. It is the consequence of a physical asymmetry in the jaws and teeth and the mismatch of the upper and lower jaw relationships. It is not caused by "stress" nor is it due to some other "mental" cause.

The physical impediment of poorly developed teeth stop other muscles around the head from finding a balance to which the brain responds and continuely fires messages to the muscles which finally fatigue and become very painful.

The ramifications of jaw asymmetry continue to spiral down the body affecting organ function and skeletal function with pain and symptoms arising anywhere and everywhere.

The Atlas plays a part in the asymmetry of the jaw but correcting the Atlas alone does not correct the jaw or can correct the jaw in entirety. Repeated adjustments to the Atlas, I would consider, unwise. It normally corrects in one go and remains so until a patient suffers a serious accident or a fall.