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New Zamboni Article Now Up

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 11:01 pm
by ikulo
Here: http://www.jvascsurg.org/article/PIIS07 ... 7/abstract

but, to view the whole thing you need to shell out 35 bucks :)
(which i don't have) :oops:

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 12:11 am
by marcstck
Sure wish we could read the entire article.

Am I mistaken, or is this simply a reframing of information we already had?

Disappointing results for the PP and SP groups. Sounds very good for RRMS, though...

I wonder if the progressive groups saw a cessation in their progression?

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 12:15 am
by Robnl
Don't think that this is the new document, the abstract is the same as in older doc's....

Rob

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 1:55 am
by MSUK
Yes, this is the new document, Volume 50, Issue 6, Pages 1348-1358.e3 (December 2009)

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 2:25 am
by IbRiz
In the top it says "December 2009", but further down it says "Received 11 June 2009; accepted 23 July 2009".....

It sure sounds like the old article.

Just my opinion.

Christian

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 2:43 am
by Robnl
Yep, agree Christian.

Can't be it

Robert

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 2:59 am
by CureOrBust
hmmm TRIED to have a look on http://www.fondazionehilarescere.org/, but the site wasn't resonding...

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 3:07 am
by alphons
I think this is the first article published on jvascsurg.org about the CCSVI treatment, so it is new. Also the title is new to me. So maybe our expectations are to high.

Hey, new things, we not already knew about CCSVI? :D

This is for al the others out there, reading this material for the first time.

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 3:08 am
by Boreas
I think it is the new one. If you click on "Add-Ons" you see that there's two videos attached. Damn! I thought it'd be free and open and commons and common sense and all that

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 3:49 am
by sou
At the top of the page says:
This work was presented at the Thirty-first Charing Cross Symposium, London, United Kingdom, Apr 3-7, 2009.
sou

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 6:37 am
by Inge67
IbRiz wrote:In the top it says "December 2009", but further down it says "Received 11 June 2009; accepted 23 July 2009".....

Christian
This refers to the way scientific magazines work: they receive papers at a certain date, and then it is refereed by a number of reviewers/referees, before they accept it and then allow it to be published.

But still, Sou made a smart remark about the presentation in London of this paper...that sounds weird. People might have known already what the results are of the 18 months tracking. Why hasn't that been shared yet then?

I am confused.... :(

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 6:59 am
by mrhodes40
Yes that is the new paper and I own a copy.

It is a great paper.

It is the same information from the cxsymposium, but presented correctly and throughly for publication.
I'll answer questions about it if you like.

marie

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 7:03 am
by TFau
Thanks Marie:

Does it report on any progress of the ppms patients? Were they able to operate on all of them, or were the spinal area blockages unreachable.

Theresa

Zamboni's paper

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 7:11 am
by GiCi
I have a copy of the paper: it is new and exciting!
First of all it says that the complications of the liberation procedure (no stents) were very few and mild, demonstrating that it is a safe procedure.
Secondly it establishes a very strong link between MS and CCSVI.
Thirdly it shows statistically significant improvement for RRMS with decrease of the relapsing episodes and improvement in the motor performance in SP and PPMS.
I wish to stress the importance of the paper, which will pave the way for more scientists to jump on the wagon.
We are getting there!
GiCi

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 7:14 am
by TFau
Really - improvement of motor performance for PPMS and SPMS patients. Wow! Did they look past 18 months?