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Joined: May 04, 2006 Posts: 3456 Location: Mid-Michigan
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 7:11 pm Post subject: Re: Clarification
namedbos wrote:
I think a few important points have been missed here about MS in the underdeveloped or developing countries. I am not convinced that the cases in the prosperour areas are on the rise. I am still in good contact wit folks back home and have not had any such impression. Heart disease may be another story.
Hi namedbos,
Valid point and I can only go by what researchers say. I don't have first hand knowledge either way.
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The other point is that MS is not common as it may also be going undetected as MRI etc. is not available freely and is still not affordable for most of the population.
Regarding this specific instance (rising MS rates in progressive cities) I can see that would, or at least could play a big part in trying to determine exact percentages.
Regarding the MS gradient in general (showing that developed populations have higher incidence) people have brought that point up before and although it has validity, it isn't valid. Yes, regular healthcare is substandard or non-existant for the majority of those populations but enough large studies have been done through the years to at least be confident that these type of immune disorders are rare...if not unheard of.
First, I find these two articles interesting and I think you might. Second, I think they help show that although the majority of these people don't have ANY kind of health care, researchers aren't completely out of touch with what is happening.
Hi Lew,
As Neda mentioned, regardless of what theory you believe it seems that some sort of pre disposition and environmental factors are also involved. I'm convinced that the loss of helminths was the first step and is the first thing in 120 years of searching for the causes of MS which actually makes sense and is backed by sound science, it obviously isn't everything or everyone using a flush toilet would have MS. I find the whole thing very interesting and obvious and if you google "helminth immune" you'll be able to find a ton of research about it.
Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 1:03 pm Post subject: question
Thanks Bob for posting the new information, the parts i read were interesting although I cannot say i understood all the content in the first quick pass, so have to go back to it.
I do have a question , i have heard multiple times about this MS attack and eventhough I have lescions on the MRI I have no idea what an attack feels like. First of all is the typical of MS . Secondly what would be the usual symptoms of an attack. Thanks in advance ..
Joined: May 04, 2006 Posts: 3456 Location: Mid-Michigan
Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 2:02 pm Post subject: Re: question
namedbos wrote:
i have heard multiple times about this MS attack and eventhough I have lescions on the MRI I have no idea what an attack feels like. First of all is the typical of MS . Secondly what would be the usual symptoms of an attack. Thanks in advance ..
Hi namedbos,
I've had a long term interest in the autoimmune diseases but my connection to all this is my wife who was diagnosed with MS in March, so I don't actually have MS.
My wife's MRI showed "at least" seven lesions but the only symptom she's ever had and the reason she went to the doctor was slurred speech. I don't think that's one of the normal first symptoms.
It would be better to ask someone who actually has MS but just from reading about MS it seems that if you can name it, that could be a symptom of MS. Sorry I couldn't be more help.
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